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They are very seldom mentioned plus those killed in the war.

Marine Level 8 Jan 31, 2019
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And then look at how many Russians died in WW2. Its very high!

25 million current accepted estimate. Statistics do not elaborate on one holocaust being systematic industrial sadistic planned infrastructure designed murder.

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I understand the article -yes non-Jews were also systematically murdered. Gypsies, homosexuals,dwarves and Slavic peoples were also victims. Euthanasia was for the physically and mentally handicapped. However the Jews had 75% of their population gassed and cremated. The Nazis were pure evil. I wish the concentration camp guards could have been marched into the gas chambers as revenge, however most of them were destroyed as the allies approached. The rescuing troops marched townspeople into the liberated camps to see the horror the Nazis committed. With the smell of burnt flesh hard to believe they were clueless-they knew-they had to know-they ignored the horrendous odors and the smoke from the chimneys.

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That’s too horrible for a “like.” Those people weren’t human. How can anyone ditch their humanity like that?

I know, which is why I will fight Drumpf as long and as hard as I can.

@HippieChick58' Drumpf' is a new one for me.. I saw a friend of mine on here earlier say 'tRump'... which I thought was pretty clever?

@Pbpierson2 smile001.gif Hang around me for a while, I have dozens of them. Drumpf was the original German spelling of his name. I like tRump too. And I have some less flattering.

@HippieChick58 I still owe you a message..just overwhelmed right now with many of life's lovely problems..can't wait to hear them.?

You asked. By a slow,incremental means. Slowly dismantling the spouts of democracy & ethics. Propagandizing the news, using teachers & peer pressure to re"educate", providing perks to those that looked the other way or participated,m making mass corruption acceptable via the "good life" for the chosen, terrorism as police force. "Give me a child until the age of 9 & he is forever mine".

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Holocaust Memorial Day: The 5 Million Non-Jewish People Killed By The Nazis
The total number of people killed is estimated at 11 million.
By Louise Ridley
Six million Jewish people were murdered during the genocide in Europe in the years leading up to 1945, and the Jews are rightly remembered as the group that Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party most savagely persecuted during the Holocaust.

But the Nazis targeted many other groups: for their race, beliefs or what they did.

Historians estimate the total number of deaths to be 11 million, with the victims encompassing gay people, priests, gypsies, people with mental or physical disabilities, communists, trade unionists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, anarchists, Poles and other Slavic peoples, black people and resistance fighters. Half of the victims who weren’t Jewish were Polish.

Gay People
Homosexual men, and to a lesser extent women, were compelled to renounce their sexuality under the Nazi regime. An estimated 100,000 were arrested and some sent to prisons, while between 5,000 and 15,000 were sent to concentration camps, where some were forced to wear pink triangles on their uniform to denote being gay. As many as 60% of those send to the camps perished, according to German LGBT scholar Rüdiger Lautmann.

Pierre Seel was the only French survivor to speak out about being transported for being gay
Pierre Seel, from the Alsace region of France, was just 16 when he was arrested after a cruel twist of fate. His watch was stolen - in an area notorious for gay cruising – and he reported the theft to police. Without his knowledge, this led to his name being added to a list of known homosexuals.

“The Germans came to Alsace In 1940,” he said in the 2000 documentary, Paragraph 175 by Telling Pictures. “And the Germans found the police files. They saw our names on these lists, lists of homosexuals. They were probably watching us. How we live, where we go, what we do. And one day I had to go to the Gestapo with 12 friends.”

Police sodomised Pierre with a piece of wood and sent him a regular jail, before he was transported to the Schirmeck-Vorbruck camp near Strasborg - called a “protective custody camp”.

“I wasn’t even 18,” he says in the Paragraph 175 film. “Arrested, tortured, beaten, with no defence, without a trial. Nothing. I was all alone. I don’t even mention being sodmised, being raped.”

In another traumatising experience, he was forced to watch his teenage lover Jo, who was also in the camp, being executed by being torn apart by Alsatian dogs.

“It happened in front of me and 300 prisoners. 300,” he said. “The death of Jo, my friend. He was condemned to die, eaten by dogs. German dogs. German shepherds. And that, I can never forget.”

Gay prisoners in the camp were abused and tormented by guards, and also by other prisoners. “There was a hierarchy, from strongest to weakest,” Pierre explained. “There was no doubt that the weakest in the camps were the homosexuals, all the way on the bottom.”

Pierre told his story in his book: 'I, Pierre Seel, Deported Homosexual'
Pierre was heralded as being the only French person to speak out about being deported due to being gay, but the horror of those years memory still made him furious and tearful years later.

“Why did I not speak for 40 years? I am 90 per cent disabled from the war. My ass still bleeds, even today. The Nazis stuck 25 centimetres of wood up my ass. Do you think I can talk about that? That it is good for me? … I am ashamed for humanity. Ashamed.”

Pierre survived the camp: he was released without explanation in 1941 and forced to join the German army. He deserted from the army, and finally returned to his home city of Mulhouse, where he felt forced to “censor” his memories for fear of further persecution. He lied to even close family about the reason for his deportation, after his godfather disowned him after learning he was gay.

“I became aware that, in spite of my expectations, in spite of all I had imagined, of the long-awaited joy of returning, the true liberation was for other people,” he wrote in his memoir, ‘Moi, Pierre Seel, Déporté Homosexuel’ [I, Pierre Seel, Deported Homosexual].

Pierre married a woman and had three children. He never told his wife of 28 years that he was gay. After her death, he lived with his partner Eric Feliu for the last 12 years of his life, finally feeling able to live as himself. He died in 2005, aged 82.

Romani Gypsies
Romani gypsies were the second-largest group of people killed on racial grounds in the Holocaust. They were considered outsiders and “racially impure” by the Nazis and up to 1.5 million died in what is also known as the Porajmos (“mass killing” in Romani.) Like Jews, Roma people were murdered, sent to camps and gassed or used for forced labour. But only in the 1970s did the West German Federal Parliament classify their persecution as being racially motivated, and scholars largely ignored their deaths until the 1980s.

Ceija Stojka, a Romani gypsy living in Austria, was just nine when the Germans annexed the country and began arresting gypsies.

Her gypsy travelling family worked as horse-traders, but had already been forced to abandon their lifestyle when Germany annexed Austria. “Our wagon was parked for the winter… the Germans ordered us to stay put. My parents had to convert our wagon into a wooden house, and we had to learn how to cook with an oven instead of on an open fire,” she said in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum archives.

“[Later], gypsies were forced to register as members of another ‘race’. Our campground was fenced off and placed under police guard.”

Ceija Stojka was 10 years old when she was sent to the first of three concentration camps
Her father was sent to the Dachau concentration camp for being “work-shy”. His ashes were returned to her mother months later. Ceija, her mother and her siblings were loaded onto a train bound for Auschwitz, where a horrific experience awaited them.

“The dead were stacked up in the corners and against the doors,” she said in an interview for the film Forget Us Not.

“For endless days, we stood. No food, no water. All the babies and pregnant women were dying. The door opened and the wall of dead and pregnant women fell out. People were trying to catch the rain drops in their mouth and were shot by the SS for not falling into line.”

Ceija’s mother had sewed pieces of bread into her clothes to help them survive. She hid her children under her skirts to ensure they were sent to work barracks rather than the gas chambers. Ceija worked in a quarry, after her mother convinced guards she was 16 and strong enough, not ten.

Her skin was marked with the number Z6399. “They took my name from me and instead tattooed a number on my arm. I am not going to be ashamed of that,” she said years later.

Ceija's arm was marked with her 'number' for the rest of her life
Ceija’s younger brother died of Typhus at Auschwitz. Ceija, her mother and one sister were then sent to Ravensbruck concentration camp in Germany, where sadistic female guards abused them. Ceija remembered one, called Binz, in particular:

“She had a large dog she would have attack and kill. No warning. One day we were hanging sheets frozen in the cold and an old woman tripped. Binz stomped her head as she lay on the ground until her brains came out.”

Binz planned to torture Ceija’s mother by submerging her in icy water, after discovering she had lied about Ceija’s age. Learning this, Ceija and her mother fled to a truck headed another German camp, Bergin Belsen – becoming separated from Ceija’s remaining siblings in the chaos.

“That is when the real misery began”, said Ceija of her first night at Bergin Belsen. The 11-year old slept in a pile of recently-killed corpses. “I asked their forgiveness and buried myself in the bodies to try and stay warm.”

She and her mother survived by eating “paper and pieces of leather”, until one day, while she was closing the eyes and of the dead out of respect, Ceija heard a loud bang. “The wall nearby me blew down,” she said. “There were tanks. A young man stood there in an unfamiliar uniform. He came to me and said: I am your liberator.”

The allied forces had arrived and she and her mother were freed. She was just 12. Ceija’s mother then pushed her 700 miles in a wheelbarrow to Austria’s third largest city, Linz, which was a meeting place for Roma people. Miraculously, her surviving four siblings found their way to the city, and the family was reunited.

Ceija's painting of her mother holding her called "Mama Holding Ceija"
Ceija was homeless for nine years, selling carpets because her family occupation of horse-trading was still banned. She later wrote and painted about her experience, becoming a well-known artist and an activist for awareness of Roma killed in the Holocaust.

“I reached for the pen because I had to open myself, to scream,” she explained at an exhibition in Vienna’s Jewish Museum in 2004. Her paintings included harrowing images of the death camps, and a joyful painting showing her mother and surviving siblings in a celebratory dance, to mark the joy of the liberation. Ceija died in 2013, aged 79.

Twins
Josef Mengele, the Nazi doctor at Auschwitz, was fascinated by identical twins and tortured them for horrific experiments, under the precept of furthering his research into genetics.

His procedures included unnecessary amputations, injecting chemicals into eyes to try to change eye colour, and intentionally infecting one twin with disease then transfusing blood into the other to see if the second twin survived. A pathologist who worked with him has recalled Mengele personally killing 14 twins in one night, with chloroform injections to their hearts.

Eva Mozes Kor and her twin sister Miriam were born in Romania into a family of Jewish farmers. Her family was pushed into a cattle van bound for Auschwitz in 1944, when the twins were 10.

Eva and Miriam are the twins at the front on the right
When they arrived at the camp’s train platform, her father and her older sister disappeared in the crowd. When German officers learned the girls were twins, they dragged Eva and Miriam away from their mother. They would never see the rest of their family again.

“We were both crying, and mother’s hands were spread in despair,” Eva said in an interview with Vice. “We never got to say goodbye. I had the best mother on the face of this Earth.”

‘My parents and my older sister died within 30 minutes after arrival at Auschwitz. I never saw them again. They just disappeared. There is no record of them,’ she told AFP.

The girls had their heads shaven and their arms tattooed. They became lab subjects six days a week. The pair were undressed, large amounts of their blood was taken, and their body parts were rigorously examined. “They would spend three hours on my ear lobe,” Eva told Vice. “They treated me like I was nothing, like I was a piece of meat.”

After doctors injected Eva with bacteria through five large needles in her right arm, she became seriously ill. She remembers Mengele smiling over her, remarking that she only had two weeks left to live.

Eva speaks about her experience and has revisited Auschwitz
If one twin died in experiments, Eva knew that his habit was to murder the other so he could cross-examine their bodies. “I was thinking, if I die, then Miriam will be murdered as well,” she said of her determination to pull through.

Eva and Miriam were among just 200 sets of twins who survived Auschwitz, out of almost 1,500 pairs used for experiments. They can be seen at the front of a line of twins freed in an iconic photo from the liberation of the camp.

They founded the group CANDLES (Children of Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Lab Experiments Survivors), to unite twins who suffered Mengele’s brutality. Miriam died of cancer in 1993. Eva still speaks about her experience, and says she has forgiven the Nazis. “I realised that the ‘guinea pig’ had the power to forgive the god of Auschwitz,” she said. “No one could give me the power, or take it away from me. I refused to be a victim, and now I am free.”

Eva has returned to Auschwitz, and always dances on the platform where she saw her family for the last time. “That’s where they took away the joy of my life and my family,” she says. “This way, I reclaim it.”

People With Mental Illnesses
Those with mental and physical illnesses were regarded by the Nazis as “unworthy of life”, leading to a clandestine programme of mass murder, under the cover of ‘mercy killings’.

Institutions were turned into mass killing centres, with SS officers wearing lab coats to keep up the appearance of a medical programme. Families were told their relatives had died from illness and given faked death certificates, when in reality up to 300,000 people in German and Austria were systematically murdered, usually in gas chambers disguised as showers. Their organs were used for experiments.

The T4 ‘euthanasia’ programme pre-dated what is usually referred to as the Holocaust by two years, but continued informally during it, and disabled people were later sent to concentration camps with other groups.

Helene was an aspiring law student and legal secretary
Helene Lebel, nicknamed Helly, was a young legal secretary and law student in Vienna. She was raised Catholic, born to a Catholic mother and a Jewish father who died fighting in World War I. Helene started showing signs of schizophrenia aged 19, and had a breakdown after losing her dog, Lydi. She was diagnosed with schizophrenia and was sent to the Steinhof Psychiatric Hospital in Vienna.

Germany annexed Austria two years later. Helene’s condition had improved at the hospital and her parents believed she was well enough to come home. But she was not allowed to return. Her parents were first told she would be released, and then that she had been transferred to another hospital.

In fact, Helene was transported to a former prison in Brandenburg, Germany. She was undressed, physically examined and then led into a “shower room” where she was murdered with deadly gas. Despite this, the aspiring law student was officially listed as dying in her room of “acute schizophrenic excitement.”

Helene was just one of 9,772 people gassed in 1940 at the Brandenburg “euthanasia” centre, which was one of six in Germany and Austria.

Priests
Many members of the Christian clergy were either threatened with deportation and kept in custody, or sent to camps. The Catholic Church was particularly suppressed in Poland, where nearly a fifth of all priests - around 3,000 - were killed between 1939 and 1945, most in concentration camps.

Maximilian Kolbe was born 1894 and grew up in the Polish town of Pabianice. His father was German and his mother Polish. Maximilian’s life was shaped by a vision he believed he experienced of the Virgin Mary as a child. He became a Catholic Franciscan priest in his 20s, and founded monasteries in Poland, Japan and India, travelling the world to spread his beliefs.

Polish priest Maximilian Kolbe in 1939, two years before he was sent to Auschwitz
When the German army invaded Poland, Maximilian organised a hospital at his Polish monastery. It hid up to 3,000 Polish refuges, many of them Jews, during a dangerous period, and continued to run a religious publishing house and radio station.

As news about the mass murders of the Holocaust spread, he wrote a message of hope in his newspaper at the time: “No one in the world can change Truth. What we can do and and should do is to seek truth and to serve it when we have found it.

“The real conflict is the inner conflict. Beyond armies of occupation and the hecatombs of extermination camps, there are two irreconcilable enemies in the depth of every soul: good and evil, sin and love. And what use are the victories on the battlefield if we are ourselves are defeated in our innermost personal selves?”

A month later, Maximilian’s monastery was shut down and he was arrested and transferred to Auschwitz. He was subjected to savage beatings in the camp, but continued to act as a priest, offering guidance and comfort to prisoners of all faiths.

Some priests in the camp were assigned to a cruel guard nicknamed ‘Bloody’ Krott, who forced them to cut and carry huge tree trunks. Krott is said to have developed a hatred of Maximilian and gave him heavier loads than the others. Priests who were imprisoned with him report that when they offered to help, he refused and said “Mary gives me strength. All will be well.”

He wrote to his mother form the camp: “Do not worry about me or my health, for the good Lord is everywhere and holds every one of us in his great love.”

One day in 1941, three prisoners vanished from Auschwitz. The enraged guards decided to starve 10 men to death in an underground cell to deter further escapees.

One of the chosen men, Franciszek Gajowniczek, cried out when he was selected, pleading that he had a wife and children, so Maximilian stepped forward and volunteered to take his place. In the cell with the doomed men, he continued to pray and minister.

Kolbe, who was made a Christian saint in 1982, is pictured on a church window
Bruno Borgowiec, an assistant in the underground bunkers, is reported by Catholic writer Mary Craig to have said that: “In the cell of the poor wretches there were daily loud prayers, the rosary and singing, in which prisoners from neighbouring cells also joined... I had the impression I was in a church. Friar Kolbe was leading and the prisoners responded in unison. They were often so deep in prayer that they did not even hear that inspecting SS men had descended to the Bunker.”

As the men died one by one, Maximilian was the last left alive, and remained kneeling or standing according to eye-witnesses. Two weeks passed, and the guards decided to execute him by lethal injection.

Borgowiec reported that Maximilian held up his arm for the injection, willingly. “Kolbe, with a prayer on his lips, himself gave his arm to the executioner. Unable to watch this, I left under the pretext of work to be done.”

Maximilian was later made a saint, and his statue is carved over the door of London’s Westminster Abbey. His canonisation created some controversy; the pamphlets published by his monastery in Poland were said to have contained anti-Semitic articles, but reports of his benevolence towards Jews and fellow prisoners have remained unquestioned.

This article was first released in 2015 but has been republished to mark Holocaust Memorial Day on 27 January 2018

holy s*** I'm going to have to take a day off from work to read all that...I'm impressed ?

@Pbpierson2 I never have enough time to read. I have a stack of books on my nightstand, and read every night before I go to sleep. And I read all evening here on the computer. There are so many books, and articles, and soooo little time!! And then with my other hobbies... I have been off work for several weeks, and I've hardly made a dent in my reading lists.

@HippieChick58 I envy your free time to do all this..I work an average 65-70 hrs a week, which only leaves me 2-3 hrs a night to get drunk after work to briefly forget just how miserable my life is, and to remind my wife what a drunk she married...if Trump can seal and deal 2020, and then in 2024 I'm still hurting FINANCIALLY....
I will gladly take arms and join your Trump lynching posse

@Pbpierson2 To be fair, your life wouldn't have gotten any better under Hillary Clinton. I only voted for her because I thought Trump was going to take away my health care. He's certainly trying, and damned if he isn't doing a number on the country on his way there. Politics in the US suck.

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I doubt if there will ever be a full total know of the people slaughtered by the Hitler/Nazi Regime considering that in innumerable cases they totally eradicated entire villages, men,women, children and all records as well.
Plus, who knows how many of their own people they exterminated as well.
The latest Red Cross estimates are that the Jewish tally of 6 Million is somewhat of a political/social over-estimation since the Nazi Ideology was 'lump' together ANYONE they deemed as being of Jewish descent merely because they may bore a slight resemblance, etc.
I'd hazard to guess that the total would possibly be as high as 35+ Millions or more sadly without taking into account the military losses from the Allies as well.

Triphid Level 8 Jan 30, 2019

I read somewhere that, according to the records they kept, 17 million people died in the Holocaust.

@Closeted The Nazi actually destroyed a great deal of their records, the tally taken at the capture of the Death Camps was just an estimate at best.
There would be still unknown mass grave sites throughout occupied Europe containing hundreds, if not thousands, of human remains, shot by the S.S. alone.
One captured journal that springs to mind is that of an S.S. UberSturmFuhrer, Kurt Hiesel, who boasted that he had " personally ordered and overseen the slaughters of a total of 197,000 men, women and children from 161 separate villages throughout Poland and western Russia in just 11months.
The victims were ordered to dig the mass graves and then shot one by one, young children and babies were buried ALIVE with their dead mothers/parents.
Hiesel was captured by the Russians at a small village in west Russia, tried and executed 3 days later, his body was burnt and buried in an unmarked place afterwards.

@PalacinkyPDX Or, in numerous cases a Church or village Meeting Hall as well.
The S.S. favored the open-pit method and they used the next group of victims to cover up the first before shooting them as well, sometimes 3 or more 'layers' of victims would be in those 'pits' and then the soldiers would add the final layer of soil.

@PalacinkyPDX Ergo, as I said much earlier the exact total may never be known for certain.
The totals offered are, in my opinion, merely guesswork to say the very least.

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Good news, it’s on the American site. [huffingtonpost.com]

I copied and pasted for you smile001.gif

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I'd read it but the site is demanding info from my browser. Did they mention the estimated 21 million Russians killed?

No, it mentions, gays, twins, Romani, Priests, and people with mental illnesses or disabilities.

@HippieChick58 It’s demanding info from me too. Is there another site with this article?

I imagine she is referring to non-war casualties, genetic cleansing of the population.

@Closeted @ChucklesIII [haaretz.com] may have more information for you. I don't find the exact article in a different format yet.

I saw an article ranking losses by country I think by percentage of the population a while back. The losses by Russia really smacked me in the face

I copied and pasted, and Closeted found a link for the American Huffpost.

@jlynn37 I imagine you are right but how many of those Russians were civilians, I wonder.

@jlynn37, @btroje Yeah, didn't they loose something like 2/3 of the entire population?

@chucklesIII I can't remember but it was staggering. THen you have to figure in the Stalin effect before and after the war

@jlynn37, @btroje, @HippieChick58 Thanks So much! smile001.gif

@Closeted Click "no" & bypass the demand

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