The sensitivities are high, the emotions are intense, the messenger is a young, blue eyed, white, privileged girl next door. I understand I am not talking about a poor girl from Africa who does not look like us or speak like us. But the truth can be sugar coated but is never sweet. Mine is sure not sugar coated. I tell it as it is without mincing words. Using her as a pawn by aggressive activists with huge fan fare and false aura created with "emission free yacht" and her yelling with compassion is now backfiring. There was nothing emission free and the disrespectful rant is now not appreciated. Greta sure needs to finish school and growing up first before coming to the UN to say anything again. The immature girl does not understand how she fits in the game plan of the activists.

An old, worn out feminist argument. It does not work any more. We slap men but ignore women because slapping a woman is against the law.

@St-Sinner Can you let us know why you identify as liberal on your profile? Usually embarrassed conservatives identify as independent, moderate, libertarian, or unaffiliated. I've seen people paid to troll dating sites, are you paid to troll agnostic? Then again, you are from Texas and think women should have an education. Maybe you are liberal, for Texas. Can you name one liberal viewpoint you share? Trump is bad does not count.

@UrsiMajor What? Are you interviewing me but I will be kind to you.

Because I am a liberal but not as extreme as some here or Bernie for that matter.

I like free and sensible healthcare without breaking the treasury but I do not like illegal immigration. I like more civil rights but also strong defense.

I do not have to to be like you or others to be liberal. There are sensible liberals and democrats. There are some who support illegal immigration. To me, supporting illegal immigration in any role is unpatriotic.

I happen to live in Texas but cannot run away as fast as would like to. I spent 18 years in New York which is my progressive core.

@St-Sinner Someone did inform you that refugees from natural disasters and wars are protected by US laws sometime in your immigration fun-filled post? Let me know if you need links.

Are you trying to run away frm Texas viewpoints?

@UrsiMajor Nobody has to inform me because.....

I am talking about immigrants crossing borders at night or day illegally. Refugees do not cross borders illegally. They apply for asylum. Domestic abuse is not grounds for seeking asylum.

Once they get the visa the U.S. is a fun-filled nation as you could say.

Yes, Texas is too conservative for me. I am running away. I am looking for a girl friend who will take me in.

@St-Sinner Well, I'm trying to figure what's up with you. You have pretty thick skin and can take a beating. Maybe you're trying to level because you know how to get people to post. I've seen scarier perspectives than yours.

@UrsiMajor I have opinions, stand for something, believe in something, am not with extreme views, can see good in both sides, an independent thinker, open to others' thoughts and like to stand my ground. I do not worry about attacks including petty and mean because when we make those attacks, they are making a statement about them, not me.

@St-Sinner Ok. So we have shot the messenger. Or at least established that Greta is an obnoxious brat. Do you believe in the message? Do human beings contribute to climate change and can it it prevented if we change our ways? Obnoxious brat or not, this is a much more pressing issue.

@St-Sinner Ummmm pretty sure Assault is illegal irrelevant of gender.

@UrsiMajor

1. Climate change - where we have have the challenge or not is not an issue. Yes, we have, There is no disagreement. The problem is in every 2 years, a prophecy of calamity is announced. Al Gore declared the world would start burning and all Iceland ice sheets will melt in 2014. Since 1970s, predictions of dire consequences for humanity have been made. No calamity or destruction even to the tune of 5% has happened yet. That is the problem. The lies, false urgencies, and the brain wash. You are also basing all your opinions just on what you read and watch just like we were told once that plastics and asbestos were safe. Don;t tell me about scientists. They are on both sides
2. No one is shooting the messenger - I am giving facts so you can see beyond the hype, glitz, propaganda. Think independently. Don't get taken in by all they tell you. Many things we were told like the processed food, medicines, fertilizers have been proven unsafe.I am encouraging all to verify facts and make decisions independents. Being progressive does not mean you cannot ask questions or cannot disagree. Calling Bernie stupid does not make me not want a good healthcare or I am a Trump supporter. It can also mean that Bernie is stupid.

No, I do not but you should sure take the time to think about this

@St-Sinner You know, in 5 billion years, the sun will become a red giant and envelope earth, and there is nothing we can do about that! Shit. Why bother with anything then. Let's party!

The question isn't whether a catastrophic climate change can always be prevented. A slight climate change can however bring catastrophic results for human conditions that will affect the vast majority of human beings who are poor and lack resources. The answer by the ruling class is, too bad but we can take care of ourselves, and who cares what happens in say a few hundred years.

@AtheistReader You are right so what is stopping you?

@St-Sinner No worries. As part of my geology degree, I studied periods of the earth's history when there were rapid fluctuations in atmospheric CO2. We even had a special name for them.
Mass extinction events.

@MrBeelzeebubbles Before you come here making a bad argument again, may be you should complete a degree in civil discourse.

We are not disagreeing with the cause of climate change. Better, more respected scientists including Nobel laureates have told us what it is. The issue is her stupidity and bad messaging.

@St-Sinner Thanks for the tone policing.
1 - She's making the headlines. The Nobel laureates aren't.
2 - If you want to chastise my uncivil discourse, please feel free to lube up a 12 inch dildo and make sweet, sweet love to yourself.

@MrBeelzeebubbles I would but I am not a woman in this life.

Keep calm. There is no reason to panic.

We will all soon forget Greta, the false Messiah like Al Gore was. At least Al Gore captured the Nobel.

@St-Sinner "You have to make your argument better than that."

@AtheistReader Please read the post again.

@St-Sinner I was just quoting your response to another comment. I've read your OP. There is not really an actual "argument." You keep using that word, but I don't think you know what it means. And subtleties of logic escape you.

Good luck with whatever you think you are advocating.

@AtheistReader
Thank you.

Anyone can pull out links out of the ass

She has done more damage to the cause = [cnbc.com]

Climate Messiah Greta Thunberg’s Plastic Boat Trip Will Require Four Transatlantic Flights = [wattsupwiththat.com]

Greta Thunberg's two-week trip across Atlantic in 'zero-carbon yacht' may generate more emissions than it saves as two of the crew have to FLY to New York to bring the boat back to Europe = [dailymail.co.uk]

Pierre Casiraghi says he is not here to change the world, but if he can offer carbon-free transport on his gleaming eco yacht, he is happy to help = [thedailybeast.com]

@St-Sinner Yes as you have demonstrated with this very post it seems XD

@demifeministgal
What we agree with is = good and moderate
What we don't agree with is = fake news and extreme

@St-Sinner except that your source is a pretty crappy right wing online paper and online blog... you want me to take your sources seriously post less inflammatory sources. Simple.

[mediabiasfactcheck.com]

Facts sir and yes, it is intentional. Very much so.
Sorry to point out about your favorite little girl but the truth must come out. I have given references for the facts. You do not like criticism?

I want to argue that you should be ashamed for ignoring the facts and buying the hype.

@St-Sinner Ha, Ha. Ha, ha! Your parade irrational spite as fact. Don't be ridiculous. How stupid do you think people are?

@wordywalt
I am glad you asked the question. We are stupid and have been stupid many times in our lifetime and so were our parents, grandparents and forefathers.

1. Religion was started, accepted and practiced by our forefathers. We think now it is totally stupid
2. Read these stupid climate disaster predictions = [cei.org]
3. Our parents were taken in by plastics are the next big thing and they bought plastics everywhere. They bought processed food, they built in asbestos. We were all suckers

Yes, stupidity exists. I am not saying you know about it yet.

@St-Sinner I do not quite know how to take your posts. You say some intelligent things, but your posts reek with a presumptuous air of superiority. You are not. You are just a person, like the rest of us.

@wordywalt I try very hard not come across condescending although I admit that I am naturally strong in my arguments. I never have the intentions to look or sound superior but I argue forcefully because.....

Just like Trump... I like to win, win and win and never want to stop winning so much that you will say one day, St. Sinner, you are winning too much. Can you please lose once?"

We are denying the false messiah, not the science. You are doing the same cry baby tactics.

It is not gaslighting but it is if you don't like the facts.

She has done more damage to the cause = [cnbc.com]

Climate Messiah Greta Thunberg’s Plastic Boat Trip Will Require Four Transatlantic Flights = [wattsupwiththat.com]

Greta Thunberg's two-week trip across Atlantic in 'zero-carbon yacht' may generate more emissions than it saves as two of the crew have to FLY to New York to bring the boat back to Europe = [dailymail.co.uk]

Pierre Casiraghi says he is not here to change the world, but if he can offer carbon-free transport on his gleaming eco yacht, he is happy to help = [thedailybeast.com]

@St-Sinner The articles you post don't make your points. They are facile excuses to ignore reality.

@icolan It is a source, not the only source. I also gave The Daily Beast and others..

@redbai Thank you for your feedback.

@redbai
What we don't agree with = is false
What we agree with = is true

@St-Sinner Who is 'we'? Don't assume that I have the same flaws as you do.
If there is not evidence = false
If there is evidence = probably true if evidence is verifiable.

@redbai You do not understand. We is people on both sides of a view. We cannot be you alone because you are not unique.

Your definition is the same as of the people who will disagree with you. Just that they will show you a different evidence. I hoped that you knew this in the years behind you.

@St-Sinner You haven't demonstrated that I don't understand and I say I do demonstrating a presumptions comment.

You haven't demonstrated that my "definition" is the same as those who disagree with me. "Different evidence" is just another way of saying "alternative facts", which is just a way of saying lies. Evidence supports the facts and your "evidence" doesn't support your comments. Which probably explains why you don't quote from the articles that which you believe makes your points. Can't quote what's not there.

@redbai
There is no need to demonstrate to you. You did a good job of convincing me that you do not read the post fully, are judgmental and quite wrong. I gathered it from your comments. You do not need any proof from me. You are the proof.

@St-Sinner So basically, you've assumed things, defined me based on your assumptions and then self-servingly decided (without a shred of evidence) that your assumptions were factual and thus your assumptions about me to be factual.

That's pathetic.

Regardless, uou cannot demonstrate that the articles that you claim support your assertions are relevant. Your attempts to make this about me instead of your inability to provide evidence to support your claims is obvious to everyone, but you.

@redbai It is more like you gave a clear impression. The issue is not hard, it does not require so much of argumentation. Either you agree or disagree.

@St-Sinner Again, you pretend that your characterization of someone you don't know is correct and allows you to make all kinds of assumptions. So very Trumpian of you; the not-so-skillful utilization of the tools of biased thought. It apparently allows you to believe you can make all kinds of unsubstantiated claims and then attack anyone who points out your claims are false, instead of you attempting to demonstrate any veracity in your claims.

@redbai I do not have to know you, I do not have to know who you are, what you do or anything else. You, I and everybody are judged here only by what we write. So, don't bring up "you do n't know me" crap.

@St-Sinner Then don't make ignorant assumptions as if you do know me, especially when you're using such assumptions to justify your lack of evidence to support your claims.

@redbai I make assessments, not assumptions. I have not called you ignorant... even once. Think about that.

@St-Sinner I have not demonstrated ignorance so it would just be another comment you cannot demonstrate has any merit.

@redbai Rule #6 (since you do not follow the first 5)

"Make your point, don't call people names"

@St-Sinner Another attempt to change the subject to me instead of demonstrating that your "evidence" is credible. I've been making my point and I haven't called anyone any names. So try again. Where in your "evidence" are your claims demonstrated?

Many moderate people would not agree with your extreme views. I would not teach my child to do that. But good luck with your approach. Hope it will serve you well.

@St-Sinner At this stage moderates are cowards. Moderates celebrate the status quo that got us here. Moderates play it safe and hide behind reasonableness in the face of evil. Neville Chamberlain comes to mind. America is at a crossroads and needs a voice of anger and focus against Trump and both parties established, entrenched old guard.

@St-Sinner Quite well - thank you.

@Quarm It is a view but not a common view. Trump won because of moderates and independents. If you want the extreme liberals to win, you have to find another country. It is not the U.S.

@St-Sinner Trump won because we are a spoiled brat of a culture and people on all sides want easy answers and like your post, they value shitting on others lawns over actually mowing their own fucking grass.

@Quarm Trump won because Hillary defeated Hillary.

She is obviously bi-lingual. Who here can claim fluency in more than one language?

In that case, she should finish school, finish growing up, learn about the world and come back another time. The UN is not a playing ground for the impolite, disrespectful and immature.

@St-Sinner because we can't afford to wait that long.

@UrsiMajor well I am bi-lingual as well... not sure for mr sinner though >.>

@UrsiMajor, @St-Sinner In that case, Donald and other politicians should have never been allowed to address the UN as they are the epitome of: "impolite, disrespectful and immature." Unless you deem youth as de facto immature which makes you ageist on top of everything else.

@demifeministgal I speak 6 other languages, since the age of 5, but not Western

@Stuttrboy Since 1970s, we have predicted the end of the world due to climate diaster 7 times. It did not happen.

@St-Sinner scientists haven't. They still aren't. Everything they have predicted is happening. Rising sea levels, increasing temperatures world wide, increasingly unstable weather patterns. Eventually the planet will be uninhabitable by humans if we do not curb our emissions. Look at the actual science.

@Stuttrboy
That timing of the eventuality is the question. The urgency and doomsday scenarios happening in 5 years, 10 years and 20 years is the question. The majority of the American people agree that we should reduce the human contribution of pollution but Al Gore and alike came and went warning us with dire warning the Earth would freeze by 2014. We were so grateful and so taken in and that we even gave him a Nobel and an Oscar. And guess what, we are still here and prospering.

My point is the false warnings of super urgencies, not the seriousness of climate change. It was the same sense of urgency that the climate activists' prop Greta Thunberg disrespectfully yelled at the world body at leaders recently.

@St-Sinner eventually it will be a doomsday event and it is likely to happen in Greta's lifetime. The increasing acidity of our oceans as it absorbs more and more co2 will cause food shortages. We would be experiencing it already if scientists had created new strains of wheat to feed another billion people.

Thats just 1 of the things that we can show is happening right now. The erratic weather will get worse and worse. The list goes on and on. We arent talking doomsday but every day has a worsening effect. That's the science and ypur OP is making personal remarks about a young woman who knows how much this will effect her generation and is brave enough to shame the countries who do too little. You should be ashamed of yourself.

No slander, Just facts. And yes, I give a fuck and many others give a fuck.

@St-Sinner

You sure the fuck do by showing you bias, when you clam be a moderate, when in fact you are just another closet Obstructionist republican claiming to be some softy of moderate

What a fucking joke you have become!

Only here to hear Your own warpped wrapped bullshit spewed upon others!

Fuck off!

GpsyOfnew...What does a real photo mean ?Any one can put up a false photo of themselves on this site and according to the annoying troll police on this site it happens regularly here .A cartoon character is more honest than a fake photo .

I entirely agree!

@richiegtt If you don't get it... you don't get it... if you don't offer your likeness you are not playing with a full deck.

@richiegtt You sound like the Unpresident… blurring the lines between real photo and fake photo... Well I am Real... I know what Real is. Maybe fake and real is the same to you... that is you. I am happy with my Likeness on a Mirror or a Photo. I need no reason to hide or fear. That is what Real suppose to be.

That is exactly the point of my posting against the false messiah. I said fuck with all that glitz, glittery, shiny, orchestrated media propaganda blitz and bring out some facts. I see it is working. It is pissing off extreme nut cases. It is very important to know your audience so you can tailor next messages better... more like surgical strikes.

@OwlInASack I realise this.

@OwlInASack Don't panic or be defensive. Everybody who disagrees with you is not a Trump supporter or watch Fox News. But if you advocate breaking laws, how can do think any better. Let me guess. You don't agree, right?

Rage but in a sound argument. Yours is not one.

There are articles on the internet to support every kind of argument. I also love the articles I gave as references in my post.

You keep yours and I will keep mine.

I also love the end of the article:

“She is a small, slight child wearing braids and using the best science available to beg the adults in the room to not let her die. Not to let animals die. Not to let the Earth die. Not to let everyone die. Anyone who listens to all of that and immediately wants to punish or attack Thunberg — they’re not having that reaction because they think she’s wrong, but rather because, deep down, they fear she is right.”

@Apunzelle and because they are willfully ignorant. I have many many friends in sweden and anyone who says this child is being led is absolutely clueless. She is empowered by an education system that values science and promotes that each person can make a difference.

@Apunzelle We all love different things. I love these lines in the article I gave as a reference...

"Sixteen-year-old Greta Thunberg’s ascendancy to the forefront of environmental activism could end up being a major negative to the movement and the environment. Emotion must not be confused with scientific credibility, and in this case, the “science” behind Thunberg’s pleas for help is (mostly) wrong, and her message dangerously misguided. Despite the tearful claims of stolen childhoods, suffering and death, Greta’s generation has grown up in the most prosperous time in human history."

No need to be embarrassed. Come on in. The water is warm.

@St-Sinner Wade in your own urine if it suits you. I'll pass.

There are 10 year olds making a difference in the world. Nobody got this much oxygen, wall to wall coverage, all out interviews and cameras filled trip across the Atlantic.

Here are the young activists, some of them do not look like us, some are short and some are black but we would not give them enough light, would we?

1. Edna Chavez, 18
2. Ramon Contreras, 19
3. Mari Copeny, 11
4. Marley Dias, 13
5. Desmond Napoles, 11
6. Storm Reid, 15
7. Yara Shahidi, 18
8. Zulaikha Patel, 15
9. Angeline Makore, 21
10. Sanele Junior Xaba, 23

We are a society that wants to celebrate more of Princess Diana who died in the same week as Mother Theresa died. So what you say is not surprising.

There are 10 year olds making a difference in the world. Nobody got this much oxygen, wall to wall coverage, interviews and cameras filled trip across the Atlantic. Here are the young activists, some of them do not look like us, some are short and some are black but we would not give them enough light, would we?

1. Edna Chavez, 18
2. Ramon Contreras, 19
3. Mari Copeny, 11
4. Marley Dias, 13
5. Desmond Napoles, 11
6. Storm Reid, 15
7. Yara Shahidi, 18
8. Zulaikha Patel, 15
9. Angeline Makore, 21
10. Sanele Junior Xaba, 23

We are a society that wants to celebrate more of Princess Diana who died in the same week as Mother Theresa died. So what you say is not surprising.

@St-Sinner They did not get enough light. Greta did. I guess we needed her.

@MrDMC No, we needed to be fair, to listen, understand and appreciate all who are making a contribution. Our job is not like a white blue eyed Caucasian girls next door only.

Please read above if you are not close minded. But again, no need at all, if you are.

She is a prop

Falsehood, propaganda, misinformation and above all - the false urgency sold through a pawn in the game. This has happened many times before.

Just like Jesus is coming, this has become a cry wolf story.

@St-Sinner but all she's asking is for us to improve the environment we all depend on so... Why is that a bad thing?

@Remi
No she is not only asking to improve. In her disrespectful ranting and yelling at one of the most respected world bodies in the last 70 years that has done tremendous work not just in climate change, disease control, humanitarian aid, refugees crises, justice through international court, education, health and so many other crises... undermined and warned in a way to suggest nothing was being done..

Wind farms have been built, solar panels are used, alternative fuels are created, energy wastage is managed, awareness has increased every year, people have devoted their careers and lifetimes to improving environment. She has a shallow understanding what efforts have been made and what has been accomplished. She is 16 years old and her shallowness is suitable for her age. What she does not understand is she is being used as a prop to sound alarms and give a bigger voice to the movement. The aim is noble but the route and the messenger were lousy.

You have to make your argument better than that.

@St-Sinner I don't need to. Not only are you a tosser but nobody likes you either.

@Jolanta We are not in elementary school any more. You have to grow up. I did not even steal your pencil.

@St-Sinner If were in elementary school you would. You are that kind of a person. Unlikable, just like Donald.

@Jolanta You are petty but you must be you. Anything above it would be called "nice". You do not want it.

@St-Sinner I can tell you if I am "petty" so are a lot of people here to when it comes to liking you. Tosser.

@OwlInASack You are running away from accepting the fact that you are recommending illegal activities and running around to make your arguments elsewhere.

@OwlInASack You are not despising me. When you respond and tell me what you do and believe in, it is a statement about you, not me.

@Jolanta I told you you have to grow up beyond elementary school thinking. You cannot argue, you cannot respond, you cannot logically elaborate your reason but you like to make petty comments. I bet you never did debates in school. Others would destroy you with your type of comments... such as "I do not like you" in a rebuttal... lol

@St-Sinner Nope pretty sure it's a statement about YOU pig boy.

What makes you so sure that you are not an idiot?

When I write about facts about her, it is not personal. It is about facts about her. She stepped into publicity with a big bang, right? Now you don't want her discussed? You want to have it both ways?

@St-Sinner your post doesn't have anything to do with her claims it is only personal attacks againts a child. If you want to convince people she is wrong why won't you respond to the actual argument instead of personal attacks.

@St-Sinner "What makes you so sure that you are not an idiot?" You have missed the point on what an ad hominem attack is. It would not be hard to make of list of eight items in which you can be attacked. 1. What your YOUR credentials that make your condemnation of her legitimate?

"When I write about facts about her, it is not personal." Bull shit. Again, you seem to be oblivious as to what an ad hominem attack is. One would hope that you have a better grasp of what the "Dunning-Kruger Effect" is. " It is about facts about her. She stepped into publicity with a big bang, right? Now you don't want her discussed? You want to have it both ways?" YOU have just stepped into publicity with a big bang with your post. Just what credentials do YOU have?

@dahermit Like I said, when your mind is made up and closed, no one can change it with any facts.. That is the nature of extreme views. It exists on both sides.

@Stuttrboy This post is not about the message, it is about the messenger.