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Do people who hate religion do it because of their Atheism or Agnosticism or because of their experience and personality?
I don’t hate or am angry with religion despite having survived 18 years on brain washing and 6 years at a pedophile school.

Religions haven’t destroyed people. Human beings wielding power have destroyed people. People can make anything good into evil.

I quite often like religious people and respect people who can find peace and solace in it. Life is harder for me as a agnostic atheist and a rational thinker. I miss being able to delegate all of my problems. 🙂

I would ask a favour. Could we have a discussion without swearing and abuse and anger? I’m really just looking for ideas.

Grahame 6 Dec 2
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Religion was a big waste of my time but without it I would not be where I am today as a logical freethinker. You might say I hate religion and I find very little to discuss really. The bible proves nothing and it finally came together as we know it today some 300 years after the time of Jesus. Manipulated by Paul and Constantine, what sort of "authority" does this book have? In my mind, none!

This does not stop people from saying "there still could be a god." OK, which god and what exactly do you mean? Why are you needing and wanting a god? There could be a teapot orbiting around Venus or pixies living in my shoes but I highly doubt it.

You are only referring to the Christian bible. The Bible that Jesus knew ( if he was real ) and read if he was literate had already been written before the birth of Jesus.

@bklynite53 Most likely some form of the Septuagint. It all came out of Hebrew scriptures but has no more validity than anything else in any other culture or time.

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As an atheist, I don't hate religion.

I despise the violence, murder, rapists, child abuse, oppression of women, destruction of the environment, attempts to take away women's control of our own bodies, and cruelty caused by religious zealots.

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What bothers me is that I pay more in property taxes because of all the churches in my town that don't pay any taxes.

That is a very valid reason to despise religion.It is infringing on your economic well being .I agree .

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People USING religions/religious beliefs to manipulate others have been the root cause of many of the woes wrought upon human kind since religions, Christianity and Islam in particular, were first invented.
Religion is, in my opinion, just superstitions, myths and scary stories twisted and turned around to facilitate the ease of controlling the masses by the few.
Any of the little good that religions have done for human kind has been far, far outweighed by the evils which it has wrought.
It teaches divisiveness, repression, suppression, etc, and calls itself Love and Peace for ALL, ergo, it IS a LIE, the Ultimate Lie of Lies in my opinion.

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Imagine yourself as a female under any religion.

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Religions haven't destroyed people? So the crusades, the inquisition, all the religious wars that have resulted in millions of deaths, the holocaust where 6 million jews were killed just for being jews, what is that? You sound like the NRA, guns don't kill people, yet if these people who use guns to kill people didn't have guns, guess what, no dead people. Who's kidding who???

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My anger towards religion is when it is weaponized to hurt or opted others. I was religious for 35+ years and have no personal horror stories. But it is such a powerful tool to do destructive things. I do believe there are healthy religious expressions and I have almost no beef with such. One of my last acts as a Christian pastor was to attend the bedside of a dying elderly parishioner who I considered a friend. He was scared crazy hoping that god would accept him into heaven and that he had done enough. That day is burned in my mind and fuels anger.

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"Religions haven’t destroyed people. Human beings wielding power have destroyed people." Human beings have destroyed people in the name of religion.
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg

@Grahame People may not need religion to do evil but they can get a hell of a following that way.

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I do hate religion, its all purely male driven...males aren't the only ones who make up humanity but for some reason in most religions they are. I don't hate Muslims or people who follow religion since I'm an ex-muslim who was brain washed it in but I do hate religion because it pretends to be good when majority of scriptures spew more violence than love and a lot of people think good "lessons" come only from scripture when in reality they were practiced outside of scripture by a number of different civilizations as just common sense (thank you Socratic method). Religion also doesn't promote critical thinking as nothing is allowed to be questioned, of course, in Islam you see the whole world as a test, non-believers are sad and stupid while waiting to die for the "better" life. Your time is better spent praying 5x a day as well as getting married as young as possible or just obeying your elders. I'm was very orthodox, I hate religion because it dilutes people's pain into "its all for something better" when it really isn't or it completely dismisses humanness. I was raised to believe any Muslim girl that was raped or abused physically by a man deserved it because 1) her existence lures men 2) she probably deserved it cause she didn't wear a hijab 3) if she did wear a hijab then she's probably not a true Muslim 4) Allah will reward/punish her later. Even if you're not orthodox cultural Muslims are just as exclusive even though Islam promotes "diversity" it actually just promotes Arabism, the goal is to be as Arab as possible...while trying to take over the world (narffff)! So much for diversity and cultural competency. In religion you look at all other religions as your brothers and sisters but at an arm's length. My brother and I had a lot of friends growing up who weren't Muslim but whenever we talked about them we always said "It's a shame they're all going to hell, they're such good people." I was pretty open minded but automatically shut anything down that went against Islam, you are taught any word against the prophet deserves death. Even though Muslims don't go around killing people even if you asked a lot of cultural muslims how people who talk bad about the prophet should be treated, the automatic response is "death". So for me its all experience, my parents are quite devout Muslims but don't actually realize so much of what they do goes against Islam, like MOST Muslims. I didn't have a problem with religion until it got to the point where Muslims starting killing other Muslims and everyone in droves for not being "true" Muslims. So how can anyone live in peace when all religions have so many sects where no one feels the other sect is the correct one and for that reason needs to be corrected or educated? I personally would be livid and would hunt down every single ISIS fucker (a true Muslim) if any of them went up to my family and killed them in cold blood for not being true "Muslim". Because according to Islam there is no higher honor to achieve than death for a myth.

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I abhor religion because it's bad, not because any philosophy told me to. I'm agnostic because I have rejected the relentless insults of having religion thrust upon me.

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Atheism and agnostism is not about hating religion. Bad thing are done in the name of religion.

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I do not hate religious people, I do not hate religion either, but religion itself is an issue.

Religion actively seeks to exploit the youth through indoctrination. It actively teaches them not to critically think. It even legislates through its adherents, that very thing.

Beyond all this, at an epoch in time where we need all hands on deck for the species to survive the extinction event we are in, many religions actually teach that the end of the world is a good thing to be desired, because that means Jesus comes back.

In Saudi Arabia, they do not teach the next Generation that Israel exists. It is not on the map. Children are taught from first grade to memorize the passages from the Quoran and Haddith which say that "the end shall not come until the Muslims destroy all the Jews and Infidels"
In Israel, they teach children warfare from a young age because "they are surrounded by enemies".
In the US, the Christians fund and support both sides for endless profit.

Thus, for Many Muslims, the AIM and GOAL of Islam is to make the World Muslim
Many Jews also await the Messiah, who would make the world Jewish
Many Christians await the second Coming, which would make the world burn, and then become Christian

You do not see any problem with this?

If your friend was addicted to Heroin, would you turn a blind eye because it gives them so much pleasure?

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There was a special script for a UK comedy called "Black Adder" for a telethon. In it, our hero travels through time to the reign of Elizabeth I where he meets Shakespeare. The then proceeds to cold conk him with a right hand. "What's that for?" asks the bard rubbing his face.
"That's for every schoolchild that was ever forced to sit for (expletive deleted) hours studying your (expletive deleted) boring plays"

They say that the Church of England is an inoculation against religion. For me, it started at school. All of us packed into the hall where we had to sing hymns and join in prayers. God's love was enforced by watching teachers that would hit you if you were too rebellious.
Then there were Sundays. It was the 1960`s and the church held sway over what could and what could not go on. The Sunday trading act meant pubs were shut from 2 pm till 7 pm. So dad was forced to stay at home all day. If he wanted to take us out? There were no cinemas, shops, malls, ball games open and very little public transport running. Add to this the TV showed nothing until 5 pm and then for the 1st hour only religious programs. This left the only public entertainment, the radio. At the time this consisted of 3 BBC channels (Commercial radio was not here then. I really can't blame religion for that).
In consequence, Sundays for me were like a whole day of algebra and Shakespeare. I was not raped by priests or anything that dramatic. I don't want any harm to Christians in person. I don't want to ban their practices. I want to save kids from having to sit as I did in the school hall. I want to stop anyone from inflicting their religious morality on everyone else. And yes if I ever meet god? He had better duck!

@Gwendolyn2018 Oh, I am sure they would. I was not born Muslim catholic or in some evangelical sect. My family was secular with the odd nod to the church at family ceremonies. We were not volunteers.
My heart goes out to everyone who has to suffer under religious laws that they do not support.

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I like your attitude. I turned away from fundamentalist religion but I have tried not to throw out the baby with the bath water. I used to be angry but nowadays I’m not angry .

In fact I am now calling myself a Religious Naturalist. You can read about it on Wikipedia.

Just read it. I like that!

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Then as you said in your profile statement, "If you are an Islamophobe or discriminate against people on religious grounds then there is nothing I can learn from you, then,
A) Why, may one ask are you here in the first place,
B) Why are you claiming to be Atheist/Agnostic,
C) "I miss being able to delegate all of my problems," when they ARE your own problems hence your responsibilities and to whom did you once 'delegate' these 'problems' before you de-converted,
D) have you EVER actually sat and studied Human History in the times C.E. (A.D.in old parlance), if not then I suggest you try it, it WILL open up your eyes.
The religious have discriminated and persecuted the Non-Believers since Christianity was first invented yet from you I get the impression that we should merely forgive and forget, clasp hands and sit together around a fire with them and sing merry little hymns of praise to them, their blood-stained hands and their blood soaked God and thank them for the needless deaths their belief system inflicted upon countless peoples including the Incas of Peru, the Aztecs, the Mayans, etc, of the Central Americas, the Cathars of Spain and France, the Huguenots, the Saracens that were slaughtered during ALL the Crusades (men, women, children and babies included) and last but by no means LEAST, the thousands, if not millions, of so-called Heretics,etc, in the Inquisitions, etc, etc.
No, religions haven't destroyed people, that is just a nasty myth, isn't it?

@Grahame Err, how were my " selective use of facts" "aggressive and abusive" ?
IF citing the TRUTHS is both " aggressive and abusive" then, in MY opinion, you may bein entirely the wrong and frame of mind, even perhaps, a very closed one at that.
As was once said, " He who elects to ignore the lessons of the past also dooms himself to repeat the wrongs of the past."
" The only thing needed for Evil to Triumph is for good people to NOTHING."
Which, I think you will find, are just 2 of the reasons why so many Atheists, etc, like myself make a point of mentioning the Evils religions, Christianity for one particular, have wrought upon mankind for centuries.

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I dislike religion because it is a scam for getting money from vulnerable people. They teach mythology as if it were reality. They are deceitful and harmful, full of hypocrisy.

On the other hand, there are some good things about churches -- fellowship and charitable activities, for example. But such good things can be found outside of a religious context, too.

Nonreligious people can also find peace and solace, and it is better than religious "peace and solace" because it is based on reality, and not lies.

In conclusion, religion does some good, but they do it by scaring people with their false teachings. I prefer honesty, ethics and doing good for others, based on reality. I am much happier as an atheist than I ever was as a religious person.

And to clarify a point: When I say I dislike religion, that does not mean that I hate the people involved in it. I pity them, but I do not dislike them.

@Gwendolyn2018 Most of the people are victims of the scam. If I know that some preacher is not duped, but is just being vile and mean, I would have some dislike for him. But hatred is too strong. I might be able to talk sense into people if I were friendly toward them.

@Gwendolyn2018 When a missionary approaches me, I listen to what he says and read the literature he gives me. Then I tell him that it is not convincing, and ask for evidence. I point out logical fallacies and contradictions, and ask for good reasons why anyone would believe it. This is a seed of doubt that I plant in his head. He will give up trying to preach at me and leave me alone, but with time, that seed of doubt may just grow and bear fruit. At least I hope it will.

@Gwendolyn2018 My conversion from religion to atheism was gradual. There were people who planted seeds of doubt in my mind. I rejected such people. But those seeds did bear fruit, and I found the truth. Unfortunately, those who had planted the seeds were gone from my life, and I was unable to thank them personally. So, I "pay it forward" by planting seeds of doubt in the minds of others. They may reject me, but the seeds may still bear fruit.

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No hate here - takes up too much energy to sustain. I simply want no part of religion for myself.

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I have a strong dislike to religion, due to my experience. I was forced to attend evangelical Baptist services, til old enough to refuse. That church was a snake pit of greed, bigotry, hypocrisy, lust(pastor having affairs with members), power plays, guilt trips, and more. The few decent people there were not so religious.
I have never believed; plus I get very cranky/contrary when being coerced; church was a nightmare of coercion. I wouldn’t outlaw religion, because freedom of choice, but I’d love to tax them, plus enforce separation of church/state.

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Hating the Easter Bunny seems like a complete waste of time! However, I fear the influence"believers" are having turning this into a religious-led nation!

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I don’t hate religion. I understand that there are people who get a lot of peace and hope from it. What I hate is religious fanatics who insist that everyone believe the same.

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I doubt it’s because of being anything other than being disgruntled about life, with religion and politics making pretty good static targets..

Many people have had bad experiences with Christianity but that is hardly religion as whole.

Many people have had wonderful experiences within a religion.

@Donotbelieve That’s fair enough because it is your experience.

It just seems a wasted energy hating anything, let alone an edifice.

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It's about personal experience. Have no personal negative experience? We are ambivalent...

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I don’t hate religion either, but I do dislike some of the effects of religion. I don’t like the fact that it seems to rob people of the ability to use reason, and that even if they do use reason and know that there is no evidence to support a belief in god, they can completely suspend their disbelief in favour of blind faith. Most of my friends belong to some denomination of Christianity or another and I neither try to dissuade them from believing or denigrate that belief. I really am quite ambivalent about religion in general, and think it has its pros and cons, but on balance it has probably done more harm in the world than good, especially when used by politicians to promote their particular beliefs by imposing them on the general population through legislation. Many wars have been waged in the name of religion, but it’s never as cut and dried as just that...politics and territorial enlargement are often also in the mix, and many wars have nothing at all to do with religion and are just a lust for conquest and power. We seem, as a human race to need constant conflict, there has never been a time in our history where the entire world has lived at complete peace. Some religious people do want world peace and actively promote it. Others talk about it but act in a completely contradictory manner especially to those who profess belief in a different faith. As a lifelong atheist I’m eternally grateful that I have been excluded from any religious dogma and therefore look on all humanity as basically all equal, but with flaws and human frailties whether religious or not.

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it's just another tool for organizing and identification. my dislike is its' exclusionary nature. truth should include everyone.

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I don't hate religion or the religious. The people I'm closest to are religious and so was I. What I do hate is the fact that in America, a large sector of the religious right has abandoned their morals when it comes to the voting booth and have attempted a power grab. It's not something I'm making up. If you take a look at what's happening in the White House and the Supreme Court.
When I was still single I dated mostly religious women because I could relate more to them than anyone else, but religion in America is getting ugly.

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It's begging the question. You assume that atheists & agnostics 'hate' religion. No, they love truth. And if that means that religion gets buried, so be it!

@Grahame the truth is, hating the Easter Bunny, or Zeus,or whatever constructs are out there is just a big fat waste of time, why bother?

@Grahame I'm firm in my position but not entrenched. When a better argument is presented that is backed up by credible evidence then I will alter my position.

@AnneWimsey I hear ya - but I have little tolerance fer bs!

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