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I watched "What On Earth" to discover that we have satellites everywhere that can zoom in on anything from space and find so many things. It's remarkable! The episode I saw exposed an old sugar mill in the jungles of French Guiana in South America that had been hidden for almost 200 years. This got me to thinking.

They could use these same satellites to zoom in on and find Noah's Ark. Once this is done we could go inside what was left of it and find pig crap and the name "Noah" written on a wall. Recently an apologist explained how much crap would have to have been removed from that boat daily. It was a lot of crap but I guess 8 people could do it if the stench didn't kill them first. I wonder how much food it would take to feed all the animals for a year. Would there have been time to do anything else? Some scientist said they would all have died fairly quickly coz of ventilation problems. Ken Ham even had a bilge pump installed in his model. See, it is possible. What do you think?

DenoPenno 9 Feb 15
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A more apposite question: how would one fit 2 pair each of the unclean animals, 7 pair each of the clean, into a boat only 450 feet long, given that we have identified over 5,000 species of mammals alone?

Why would marine dinosaurs not still be alive? They wouldn't drown in the rising flood water.

If there's anything Ark-shaped on Mount Ararat, it's probably the remains of an ancient Moose lodge.

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IF the ark story were true, then Noah's Family were the most pest ridden humans of all time!
They HAD to carry, flesh eating bacteria, scabies, crabs, intestinal worms, tapeworms, pinworms, lice and Bot fly larva, just to name a few.
As well as all the diseases which ONLY reside in humans, smallpox, typhoid, malaria, Diphtheria, TB and a host of others.

IF that tale were true, you could not fit the INSECTS alone. There are over 35,000 species of spider known, and an estimated 35,000 or more as yet undiscovered.

Not to mention little issues like elephants tipping the boat, the unsoundness of a wooden vessel of such size, ignoring the fact that other nations on the earth took no notice of the flood at all, or that there is just not enough water, or the reality that other people HAD boats already, and in a years time would have assaulted such an ark for the wealth of food it contained.

THEN as the final kicker, it would be the ultimate genetic bottleneck, reducing our DNA finger\print to the results of ONE family, making us ALL siblings by DNA. This would result in all sorts of birth defects and inbreeding within a generation.

It not only takes faith to believe this, it requires turning off your brain as well.

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The bible is just stories, like our sci-fi and Stephen King books we have today, humans have a very creative imagination.

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The "story" of Noah's Ark is just that, a story.

Satellite surveillance can actually be used for something much more practical.
At least, theoretically.

[foreignpolicy.com]

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One of many impossible stories in the Old and New Testaments.

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Talk about the big flood that crafted the mystical ark, we all know about, there are stories that predate the Bible by 30,000 years.

Even the Aboriginal people of Australia have a great flood story that dates back over 20,000 years!!!

The ark is a few cubic’s short of a full stack of lumber to build it!!!

I think the reason for this was that humans who survived the end of the last ice age had flood tales to tell, from their quite limited view which nonetheless seemed like the whole world to them, as they had no clue how vast that was.
These got passed down and eventually put into a written form, like Gilgamesh's flood or many others, including the biblical account. I think those tales warn us of events like the creation of the black sea by an ice age ice dam failing in spectacular fashion. If you lived anywhere near that it would seem the end of the world.
Circa 12,000 BCE or so

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The problem with Believers is that they think everything is a matter of faith, something that you either believe in or you don't. Science is not a belief system, Mathematics is not a belief system - it is evidential, it is factual, there is no belief in Science because it is either true or it is false, there is no middle ground.
You just can't 20 lbs of shit into a 5 lb bag, if you try you wind up with a shitty mess. Believe it or Not!

I base all my beliefs not on the Bible but on The Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy. A much better book.

@Slartibartfast We are all entitled to our beliefs, it doesn't make them factual but it's still perfectly legal.

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There is no Noah's Ark. It is fiction.

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The ark is such bull. That said, I heard of a guy while I was in Naval Intel who, every time the film from Turkey's mountains showed up, wasted his day looking for the damn thing instead of surface to air missiles, etc.

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..more futile a hunt than that proverbial needle in a haystack 😉

When I think of the ‘ark myth,’ I’m maily puzzled by the lack of diversity. Finding ‘a bird’ I’d come to know well … actually had eight subspecies within my region, genetically identifiable - yet indistinguishable to an experienced ‘birder’ … how’d those Flintstone’s figure out which one’s to collect -- then gather them from a continent on the other side of a flat planet? Their god is unbelievable! 😀

Varn Level 8 Feb 16, 2020
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What a "Crappy" programme that must have been!!! 😂🤣

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The floods did occur in the old Mesopotamia, being the "hero" a guy called Gilgamesh.
About Noah's Ark having existed? I don't know, there's no proof. At those times, remarkable things were achieved as well, so I take it as a possibility.

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i lie in bed and listen to that quite often. sometimes it gets silly but often it's interesting. the science channel has not YET become the "jesus walks with dinosaurs in search of alien seeds and the ark of the covenant, joined by the knights templar" channel (formerly known as the history channel) but sometimes it leans SO far in that direction.

pet peeve: tv shows and print info using "bc" (before christ) and "ad" (anno domini, year of our lord). the proper terms are "bce" (before common era) and "ce" (common era). i don't have a lord to have his or her own year, nor a christ. oh well.

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Before "Christian" Era is fine by me, as is Christian Era. We could also have "Abrahamaic" dating if one wished to be more "inclusive". Personally, I'm quite happy to leave things as BC and AD. Similarly, "Christian" names. My Christian name is Beelzebub, for instance.

@Petter that is your right, but the initials bce and ce do happen to stand for before common era and common era, and while you are all right with christian names and christian eras, i am not. and abrahamic dating is by no means all-inclusive; it is still narrow and, quite frankly, indicative of some kind of privilege. i am not a shouter-in-the-streets that everyone should immediately abandon their gods and join me in glorious nonbelief. however, i feel imposed upon by privilege so deep it is exercised unconsciously as well as consciously, and whether or not that feeling is reasonable, or matches your feelings, it is my own and so as pet peeves go, i keep it, and do not take it to the pound or starve it to death, but try to train it to do some good in the world.

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We should measure time differently. We non believers. Any suggestions?

@genessa I recall one day when I saw a bust of Stanley in the main park of Kampala, Uganda. Having come from Kenya, where all publicly displayed statues and busts from the colonial era (ooh! Another CE) had been removed and mostly destroyed, I asked why this was not the case in Uganda. The answer, from any Ugandan friend I asked, impressed me.
"Petter, it is part of our history, and should be remembered through the ages."
Christianity, whether believed or not, is part of our history. The "common era" description is on a par with Kenya's petulant behaviour.

@Bilbobagins I wouldn't want to start over, the way they do in japan every time they get a new emperor. I would be happy with bce and ce, already widely (but not nearly widely enough) in use.

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@Petter I disagree. It acknowledges the time period declared by christianity without ignoring everyone else (or destroying statuary).

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@Bilbobagins Why change it at all? Just to prove a petulant point?
We accept tales of Father Christmas and various saints days. We even talk about Christmas and decorate our homes . Why the sudden vindictiveness to an established, conventional nomenclature?

@genessa So do you also treat saint Valentine's day with disdain? What about Santa Claus? What about Christmas? Do you wish all reference to Christian religion erased out of vindictiveness? Remember the Beatles song, "Let it be"!!

@Petter it has already BEEN changed. not everyone is honoring it, perhaps out of petulence.

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@Petter yeah i never liked that song. too catholic for me, for one thing.

your false conflations are humorous but irrelevant.

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@genessa My point precisely. If anyone wishes to use AD and BC, why care? It's a name. Why was it ever changed in the first place. Because some "Politically Correct" person thought it might offend other religions, which it didn't.

@genessa ... but think of the points you are gathering. You'll reach level 8.7 in just another 10,000 points. 🤣😂😋

@Petter I have my shirt and pen so who cares about points? But thanks for the insulting implication. And by the way, just because something does not offend you, do not conclude that therefore no one slelse in the universe has legitimate grounds for offense.

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@Petter vindictive? Just having a little fun here. Don’t over react.

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They would have each had to feed and water a ton of food as well as shovel a ton of poop each day. They must have been in good shape especially since Noah was 650 years old at the time. Maybe that's why he lived to 950.

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All that “crap” is valuable as fertiliser so don’t mock it.

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Why waste time and money on looking for mythical objects?

Why? Because There's a tax advantage to doing that?

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The Noah's Ark story has mountains of problems to overcome unless magical means are employed to resolve these problems. Once magic (or miracles) becomes acceptable, no problem resulting from natural means can't be solved.

I have heard magical arguments like all the predatory animals ate hay so they wouldn't try to prey on their natural food sources. One person once suggested that God miniturized all the animals so they didn't need as much space or as much food. I suppose God could have put them all in some kind of suspended animation to solve all the problems of food and waste products. Somewhere the Bible says all things are possible with God, so anything one can imagine is possible to solve any problem with any Bible story. It's a no lose situation unless one is interested in actual facts to come close to what is actually true.

Final thought: Greenland ice core research (GISP2) has counted annual ice layers back some 110,000 years using multiple methods. Nowhere in these ice cores is there any indication of a worldwide flood covering all the earth. Paul H Seely is a graduate with a B.D. from the Westminster Theological Seminary of Philadelphia who wrote a lengthy article in 2003 describing the methods and findings of the ice core research, and he explains how the observations from this research disprove a worldwide flood that covered all the earth.

In our digital computer age with info on the Internet for all instantly, I have found one thing is constant -- when it comes to religion they are still just making it up. Constantly making it up.

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Parables and fables were invented to explain life lessons to uneducated but eager to learn types. I have no idea whre the ark idea originated or what it taught...but then our undrstanding is far wider and covers so much of what would have been beyond the average sinner at the time. Jesus, buhda , confucious all probably saw themselves as leading the way in social enlightenment. I feel they would be disgusted with followers nowadays killing in the name of their humanist thinking.

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Sorry they wasted ten minutes of your time to reach that conclusion. That show could be so much better.

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Actually they have found something that they say looks like it could be Noah's Arc. They can't excavate because Turkey won't allow them to.

@OwlInASack They found an artifact (from satellite scans) that resemble a large boat. Some people here say that has been debunked, but I haven't read about it. All I know is that the Turkish government refuses to have any excavation done in the area.

Personally, I do not believe in Noah's Ark, however I do find religious legends fascinating. I also like the ancient alien theory about the ark actually being a DNA data storage. That makes a lot more sense then believing all those animals are on a small boat and not eating each other.

@OwlInASack I did look this up a while back. There have been some expeditions there but only anecdotal evidence of an ark. The area is restricted due to it being on military land and near the border.

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That show is just a joke in general. They show interesting stuff and then start to explain it... "Did aliens make this? Did an ancient civilization make this? No, it was an old housing development from the 50s that was half engulfed by a volcano."

The show is just a POS for gullible people.

Unfortunately, Rick, you are exactly correct. Our Reality TV world says that if you want to create controversy claim aliens did it. The reason is that it sells.

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And oh yeah, how appropriate his last name is Ham...

Ken is a Ham and he tricked people into giving money to build an "Ark Encounter" in Kentucky. This is a massive mythical park that is not making much money back as it tries to explain Noah's Ark as a real event.

@DenoPenno it is also poorly constructed & sinking into a swamp......

@AnneWimsey Good, the sooner that boondagle disappears the better. I say that as a Kentuckian who did not appreciate his taxes used for this fairy tale.

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Well at least they aren't right behind you. Oh wait a freakin' second they are in orbit and sometimes they are. Thank the fictional almighty being they are being blocked by the earth sometimes... 😛

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Governments want control, should I feel safe I wonder. Lots of gods out there.

xlog Level 2 Feb 16, 2020
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It has been claimed for decades that what is supposedly the remains of Noah's Arc is located about 3/4 of the way up the west slope of Mt. Ararat on the border between Turkey and Iraq. It has been observed and explored by satellites for decades. The slope at that elevation is clothed in snow (glaciers).

There a dark shape in the ice which supposedly is the remains of the arc. The truth is known, the problem is who to ask for the evidence one way or the other, and is their a political reason that the truth is being protected?

That was debunked years ago. The shape was a natural formation. Read: [snopes.com]

@Mofo1953
I assumed as much. They still tout it and protect if from climbers.

@t1nick christian tourism money in a muslim country

Why would anyone in Turkey or Iraq want to grant access to an area so an opposing religion could make claims about itself? I don't think we would even go for that in America.

@Mofo1953

Agree. In the early 2000's there was a demand for climbs and tourism to Mt. Ararat. Sat through a ridiculous talk back then promoting a climb to find Noah's arc. My interest at the time was Turkey, not Noah. Lol

@Mofo1953, @DenoPenno

Not familiar with the actual writings of the Koran, but Islam is an abrahamic religion. I do not know if Islam has a Noah story within its context.

@Mofo1953

Tourism to Turkey, until recently was very lucrative for the country. It was less expensive than Europe, full are historical and archaeological wonders, and Americans were generally welcomed. Since 2001 anti-American sentiment has reversed and it's too dangerous for casual tourists

@t1nick yes it does, same one, noah, the ark, same crap.

@DenoPenno you obviously don't know, turkey is a member of NATO, open to many religions because it is a secular government, money also plays a big role, you should do your homework before you post comments like this

@Mofo1953

Presently. Turkey is a dangerous country for American tourists outside of places like Constantinople (Istanbul). The number of kidnappings of Americans tourists in recent years has increased. Ergogan is not exactly enthralled with the US these days. Less protection afforded American tourists outside the major tourist locations.

@Mofo1953 Member of NATO and open to many religion is not the point. Having idiots dig around in your mountain so they can prove their religion is my point. As I said, America probably would not even allow this.

@DenoPenno because their religion is islam and they also have noah and the ark in the koran. Proving there was an ark if the idiots digging were muslim would prove their religion, again you need to do some homework before you post nonsense. America allows archeological digs anywhere in public lands. You definitely need to at least google an issue before you dive to the pool with a comment that shows clearly that you don't lnow.

@Mofo1953

Mofo, one correction. It is illegal to dig archaeological sites on any land in the US that is supported by State or Federal monies or funds. The Federal Preservation Act was set up to protect coveted archaeological resources. It also applies to paleontological sites.

Unfortunately, private land is another thing. Unless it is considered a site of significant archaeological/historical value, private land is open for potting hunting. Many important sites have been lost forever due to being found on private land.

@Mofo1953 OK, Carlos. I give up. Do you know?

@t1nick it is illegal to dig without a permit. Permits are granted consistently in federal public lands when there is a plausible reason to dig. You can't just dig for a bullshit excuse.

@Mofo1953

I know. I'm a retired archaeologist.

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