@Decieven IF, big IF, there us actually "herd immunity"....anybody ever have more than one cold, or the flu more than once? Rush Limbaugh is fond of saying "herd immunity".....just sayin'

Go look up the meaning of "exponential" & then re-read!

@AnneWimsey He's not saying that they will be successful, just that that's what their thinking was (which is accurate).

@JeffMurray " they" will not be successful, nor will we, in the face of a single-minded virus that just wants to multiply! Read up on "EXPONENTIAL" & be very afraid

@AnneWimsey I don't know what you're trying to say. @nicestuff wasn't talking about anything other than how misguided the administration is/was and was absolutely correct about it. I'm a nurse working the front lines of this pandemic, and was preaching how bad this was going to get long before most everyone else. By mid March I was explaining how this virus was already 37 times deadlier than the regular flu and way more contagious. I was keeping a personal spreadsheet of US and global data points, and trying to educate people why what the administration and some of what health organizations were telling the public was not true. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE...

Wish it were that easy . Our Sheriff will not enforce the mask requirements and an awful lot of the population doesn't want to comply .

Not all the developed countries.
Russia has a problem.
So does Brazil.

Gee... the US, Russia, and Brazil. What do these countries have in common?
Right-wing leaders (either wanna-be dictators or dictator).

@HumanistJohn Have you ever heard of BRIC
Brazil
Russia
India
China
Those are Emerging Markets countries, not Developed Market countries, and the fact that we are doing worse than Brazil, Russia, India, and China at controlling COVID-19 is pathetic.

plus the people that need intensive care but can't because the hospital is full of covid patients.

1% was one of the early figures of mortality, I am sure that figure has been growing.

The poster assumes 1% (which was true at one point, just about 6 weeks ago)) as a basis to extrapolate. It might be a good idea to be horrified at just what 1% has brought, and then look up the meaning of "exponential" instead of nitpicking one thing......

@HippieChick58 @AnneWimsey However, the 3 million cases number is believed to be undercounting the true number by ten times. That makes the mortality rate more like 0.4%. The undercounting rate is an unsubstantiated estimate, so mortality may be anywhere from 0.4 to 4%. Thus, 1-2% is still a pretty good number.

@racocn8 So, would I correct in thinking that what you are saying is, " Sacrifice the few in favour of the needs, etc, of the even fewer,' i.e, the BIG money End of Town?

@Triphid No, nothing like that. I have no idea how you could have inferred that!! This country should have been placed on a war footing with the same attitude. We see what works in Europe and elsewhere. The people who should be sacrificed are our fake dictator and administration who, in circumstances requiring him to lead or get out of the way, does neither. As long as he obstructs real action, we are on a road to maximum casualties, and the blood will be on the GOP's hands forever.

@racocn8 Either way imo, whether the Death Toll is 1-4% or just 1% or less America, the U.S. should have shut down and gone into nation-wide Lock-down A..S. A.P. instead of 'screwing around like an old Moll at a Wedding."

@Triphid I think you are right

Yeah.|Stimulus.
Let's see...
I hear that the catholic church got 1.4 Billion.
betsy devod got millions.
The list goes on.
But orange blob and his crime family and hid other psrtnrtd-in0crime (read republicans, aka repugs, are against extending unemployment benefits to people who need the money to eat and keep a roof over their head. As gutless graham said, "over my dead body."
When push comes to shove, all the right-wing cares about is keeping the rich, rich.
Oh yeah... and gun manufacturer's profits.

In many places right now, I would be scared shitless to go to an ER for anything!

@AnneWimsey We must stay healthy! Most older adults die in winter, so we have summer on our side...come winter it will be a double wammy...the virus intensified and ‘older people die in winter months!’ Lol. But, I will be hanging out right here, keeping my health intact! I suggest the same for you! We will ‘go’ when we get...good and damn ready!

It for sure not all cut and dried...and the smart people are not afraid to say so! I would never at this point settle on an ‘absolute’ ...to many variables!

Could we just add the vaccine to all our sugar then?

I don't know how they'll handle the vaccine situation if what I've read is true and I have no reason to doubt it. They haven't found a vaccine for the common cold yet and it's a coronavirus.

@Freedompath No, that can't be right. When it gets warm outside, it's going to go away like a miracle. I have that on good authority from someone who had a really big uuh brain.

@JeffMurray ...did you do your ‘due-diligence’ on that notion? The size of something can be deceiving as to it’s abilities!

Actually, the cold is either a rhino virus 40% or Coronavirus 20%. An anti-viral agent is being developed that should be effective for ALL the rhinoviruses! A similar technique should be possible for the coronaviruses; just not that quickly, unfortunately. I've been led to understand that a vaccine for covid would confer longer lasting immunity. The problem is this thing mutates frequently, so it is unclear if the vaccine will be effective for newer strains.

@racocn8 do you have any idea how much money would fall on someone who invented a cure and/or preventative for the common cold? Been worked on intensively for 50 years or more, and how's that going? So explain how magically that's going to appear now........

@AnneWimsey It has been a little while since I saw the article, and firstly, I may have misrepresented because this only works on rhinoviruses (40% of colds). Apparently, they do all share a common feature which is a cleft in a critical protein. The cure is a drug which is not toxic, etc. and binds irreversibly into this cleft such that, while bound, changes the three-dimensional conformation. This change stops the protein from functioning, and the virus is no longer infectious. I gather that UCI is pursuing a similar strategy on Covid's protease. I expect this is being sought for the spike protein too. It is no small feat to find a molecule with all the electromagnetic features in the right 3D shape, and, not be toxic in some way. Obviously, this is a task for supercomputers, but still not at all simple or even straightforward. You don't want to know how the immune system develops binding for unknown antigens. Unbelievable. Evolution to the rescue... again!!! (Hint: variable and hypervariable DNA regions).

Well good luck to you. Perhaps it is time for you to not be on this web site anymore.

@Jolanta Rejecting what is imaginary is what this site seems to be about. Hooved political cult followers who try to spread THEIR beliefs under the guise of being non-believers are really comic characters.

So YOUR pie isn't in the sky; so propagation of YOUR faith is done appropriately with propaganda. Bully for you!

There isn't ten cents worth of difference between political cults and "religious" ones. Suckers one and all! Herd politics, no matter which party (denomination) is about salvation and protection. AND, it always costs money to support the buncombe. After all, pastors who become millionaires by serving (servicing) you don't come cheap.

Does any sane person really believe that one or another opposing political cult has a monopoly on bullshit? Welcome to religion (literally) 'on the hoof'.

So, to whom shall I address the sympathy card after your death?

@AnneWimsey If any of them felt a need for sympathy you'd probably need a box of cards.

@Silver1wun you need to look up the word "exponential" and then re -read the original post. All of what it says is happening right now & going to get much, much worse VERY soon!

@AnneWimsey At least we agree that things are getting worse.

What, how, by whom and why can be better disclosed by scrutinizing individual and group actions. Stated motives and self-labeling are seldom consistent with actions or their results.

Death never visits at a convenient time for individuals or empires. Nature is a playwright. Regardless of the story, setting and cast, there's always Act III.

And we will not know the true extent of the long term effects, for perhaps twenty years.

Do you have any evidence to support any aspect of your opinion?

That’s fraud and still very much illegal.

If anything, the numbers are under reported because they are not being counted as covid unless they die in hospital in many cases. The homeless are particularly hit because who checks if a homeless person has died of pneumonia or covid?

This is one of the more ridiculous posts I have seen. It conforms to the pattern of supposing that every public service or progressive initiative is a self-serving scam to gull money out of the public. It's quite despicable to accuse people who put their lives on the line taking care of others of lying for gain.

CDC or the Health Dept would not be reporting deaths other than what they are. They are the ones keeping tract, they use that data too, so it needs to be accurate as possible.

this "more deaths, more money" hoax is being retold in every country, and there are a total of 0 official documents from governments around the world (or on top of it for the flat earthers) stating that they give money based on the number of patients.

You wish it was so.

Sorry, you're misinformed. Unless doctors are misreporting which can get their licenses pulled, they have to enter the correct diagnosis. The coder who fills the information in will follow up with the doctor if there are any questions. The hospital has to be able to bill the insurance companies correctly. This all goes into a national data base reported to the CDC amongst other places. The patients get billed based on treatments and diagnosis, and yes, they often read their bills. Then they call the billing office and tell customer service that "hey, this was not the correct diagnosis," and then the coder is notified to check with the doctor and the records get corrected and CDC is notified. All sorts of reports go out from hospitals. Over inflating the numbers JUST DOES NOT HAPPEN. Aside from the fines that can be and are levied against the hospitals, doctors, and staff, there are so many hands on those reports checking for accuracy, no false information does not go out. And if the staff knows that false information is going out they can blow that damn whistle and make some money. I worked in hospital billing, it is complex, time consuming, and heavily scrutinized.

"They get $$ from the government"......ummmmm what?

You don't get to just lie and claim another cause of death. That's not how it works. A doctor, risking malpractice, would have to state a false cause of death on the death certificate. Are you getting your info from Fox News?!

The truth hurts, but it will also set us free.

Haven't you heard, god it a man made construct to control other people. There is no god. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Finis.

I have no problem laughing at the results of stupidity & willful ignorance. It's the least I could do, especially when that stupidity puts me & mine in danger. Too bad, so sad, I will gladly supply cheese & crackers for any Covid Parties somebody wants to throw.

As I posted, not my research or authorship.

I'll take that as a no then.