WARNING! WARNING! DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER!
So I had a desperate thought today. This is what I actually said to myself, ".....fuck maybe I should join a church to meet people"!!!!!!! WHAAAAT? I know right? (for the social interaction only..not the religion.)
So before ya'all go judgey judge on me, let me give you some context, and then, you can go down that path.
For the last week my family and I have been dealing with my aged and sick mother who has several health issues. Sadly, she is unable to deal with them emotionally. (If she could her health would be better managed). She is at that point where she needs to be in a care facility but refuses to accept it so any interaction with her can be both brutal and emotionally abusive. Anyway, so this mother thing, along with the fact that it is winter here, cold, windy, wet and down right depressing for someone who suffers from SAD (me) I felt myself starting to slide down that slippery slope that leads to negativity, stress and eventually depression. I decided that I needed to take care of MY mental health and do something to make MYSELF happy and brighten MY view of the world.(yes it is all about me). I live in a very small but nice community in the hills that is somewhat isolated from all the things that help to maintain my mental health; ie ocean,diversity, good food, diversity, hope and did I mention diversity??? (this community has a large group of retired folk and a lot of churches and private religious schools...need I say more?). So, in an attempt to utilize what was available to me locally, (to brighten up my outlook) I took a trip to the local Sunday farmers market. As I was walking around, I noticed groups of people eating, drinking coffee and hanging out together, you know the usual stuff and I wanted to know how I could have that too so that I could have a life outside of my mother and her issues.(I have only been here a few months and know no-one outside of the family) ANNNND all I could come up with, was....maybe join a church.... which was proof to me that I was further down that slippery damn slope than I thought!!! Luckily I was able to see the folly of my thoughts and quickly came to my senses. Phew! Thoughts and prayers accepted
At least you came to your senses. A religious friend of mine knows for sure that I could meet women at church. He tells me all the time I should start going again. Knowing my disbelief doesn't stop him because his book tells him everybody knows there is a god. What he has in mind for me is alter time and "Oh, Jebus, I am so sorry." Of course we go that route because Suzie, my new church GF, is right there to help me.
I think the whole idea is so sorry!
Do you really want to meet or have a religious girlfriend? If you go to a bar you'll meet a bar girl. If you go to a Humanist meeting you'll meet a Humanist girl. Your choice.
@rogueflyer Exactly correct. It is my religious friend who wants me to meet Suzie and cry out to Jebus. No can do. I've had enough.
Jebus... I thought they were saying "cheeze iz" as in "cheeze iz for everybody" and "cheeze is loved by everybody" and "everybody knows that cheeze is real in their hearts," thought I was often confused by why they would call cheeze a "he."
Iām a lifelong Unitarian Universalist, and I can attest to the value of being in community when times are tough. My parents were also UU, and they lived far away from me and my siblings. Their church members visited them, took them to medical appointments, brought over groceries, etc. At the end, when my parents were in home hospice 6 months apart, their pastoral care minister visited almost daily. It was good for my parents and helped me and my sisters.
Wow, sound like nice people to be in your life and your parents. UU is one of the options I will pursue. Thank you.
@patchoullijulie As you may know, quite a few UU congregations are so welcoming to atheists that they become elders. I've seen it happen (attended a UU funeral of an atheist artist who was a well-loved elder). That congregation drew on many traditions. That said, some UU congregations are less open and feel more like Christianity-lite. I hope that the UUs near you are more like the former than the latter. But if there happen to be two UU congregations and one feels too churchy, don't assume that the other will be the same. The UUs are highly variable.
Reminds me of the joke about the UU lack of dogma:
What do you get when you cross a UU with a Jehovah's Witness?
Someone who knocks on all the doors in your neighborhood for no particular reason.
You bio says something about traveling,. and I did that last year, and highly recommend it.. In a place like New Jersey you can lose touch will how big and beautiful this place is.. Last year I made it to the West coast through northern tier states, down to Mexico, Ensenada to be exact, and back across the South on an old '79 Yamaha motorcycle.. I love those winding roads and mountain passes.. So; I am with you on the traveling and I know it is good for the soul.. I can't say I believe in God, but I believe in people and in nature..
I know plenty of people who have joined churches for the business connections, realtors in particular tend to do well with church communities, even after they pay the tithe to the church. Personally, I find the gullible and the dimwitted everywhere so no need to go to where they like to congregate. Too much dogma for this free thinker.
Bwa ha ha
@kodimerlyn I did laugh. Should I be ashamed.....
The churches will always have the advantage of ready made community, at least until there is a Humanist coffee shop on every high street. And sadly that will not happen, since most of sceptical people are only linked to each other by a negative view. (Not a Humanist myself.) There are in most parts of the world the range of local clubs, from ramblers to art groups, but nature groups and charity shops are perhaps the best because they give you the chance to do something positive as well.
Yes I am also considering volunteering. I actually have the food bank (groceries for low income folks) in mind but to volunteer here you have to go through all types of police clearances, employment records etc. (I don't know if that is usual elsewhere). I havn't worked or lived in Australia for about 7 years so my chances are little to none. However, that is not going to stop me. Thanks for the suggestions.
@patchoullijulie Good luck.
Do whatever makes you feel better Julie. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Take care of yourself and everything else will fall into place.
Thank you kind sir. Could you send some of that great sunshine I know you have around you? Hope all is well with you.
I know where you are coming from sister. You and I and LOTS of other people are feeling isolated and lonely. I heard talk (on NPR [National Public Radio]) of a recent study that gave some big numbers (which I did not write down because I was driving) but apparently it (lonliness) is a VERY common element in modern life. Congratulations for not giving in to the temptation to attend church! As a free thinker among believers you would probably have felt your isolation even more acutely. And there is nothing quite so sad as feeling alone in a crowd. I wish I had a silver bullet to offer you, but alas all I can say is hang in there kid!
"...free thinker among believers" perfect way to describe exactly how I would feel.
I live in a large city and people have suggested that to me. I'm like, "I can just do things I like to do and meet people I may actually enjoy?????" It's weird to be okay with being alone. As soon as I even hint I may be a little lonely, the response is that I need a partner.
And YES>>> It is all ab out you!!!!
Take care of yourself.
There are liberal religions out there. the unitarians are pretty cool. many of them are atheists and agnostics. However, conservatives need not apply
LOL So much for the open minded liber minds. What are you afraid of?
@richardgeist "What are you afraid of?" I would imagine the same things A-theists fear from being around Theists, as this topic illustrates.
Yes, and sadly this community leans more to the right than the left. I will check out the unitarians. Thanks
@richardgeist it's a very liberal Church ,all of them are. You're more than welcome there, but they are a liberal religion.
I'm sorry you are under so much strress with your mother. It sounds as if your community is rather small and elderly for offering anythng other than church groups. Is there a library with a reading group? Or an environmental group? Or a Beautiful Town group even if you are just thinking about ways to deal with litter and plant more flowers?
I actually did join the library but I did not seek out reading groups. What a great idea. Thank you. I also like the environmental option.
@patchoullijulie If there isn't a group that you feel like joining, maybe try putting up an advertisement and see if anyone is interested in starting one with you.
@CeliaVL I like that idea. Thanks.
How about a hiking/biking club? Book club, dog-walkers group? Etc.
Go to "Meetup", a free HUGE world-wide website to find things you want to do & people to do them with.
Thank you. Great idea's.
Why does it have to be a church. I moved to a new village two years ago and joined a ramblers walking group and met some lovely people. In addition to that it gets you out in the open air and you get some exercise which would be beneficial if you have SAD. Another option is "meet up" groups if there are any in your area.
Great idea's, especially the walking group, thank you.
Just pass that off as a momentary lapse in judgment and it won't happen again.. Glad you came to your senses.
lol
UU (Unitarian Universalist) might be a good fit for you. Most of them have a nice social hour afterward and have some of their more gregarious people greet newcomers.
There are also various groups and activities.
I would stay far away from any church with fundamentalist leanings.
Have to be honest that even UU came to be more church than I could deal with. It was important to me when my kids were young as they do give a balanced exposure to religion and study other world religions.
We even hosted a group of Tibetan monks in our home once when they were in town for a concert.
Tibetan Monks sound cool.
@patchoullijulie They liked unsalted butter in their tea. It was closer to the fat content of the yak milk they were used to.
@BufftonBeotch Wow. I love learning about things like that. There is a cattle herding, desert tribe in southern Ethiopia that drink the blood of their cattle. I watched a documentary on it last night actually. The westerner (host) who was drinking it said it had a sweet taste to it!!! Not for me but interesting stuff.
There is nothing wrong or unwise in joining a church for social interaction. There are lots of people who attend the church for that very reason. A church does serve much-needed community function. That's why it has been so successful. One of the problems with atheist and agnostics is that they tend to be an independent bunch, and to disdain social cohesion. It is somewhat natural for all of us to feel that sense of belonging. I am not sure I've ever found a non-religious group or community that foster a similar sense of belonging as a church does...
I would have nothing in common with them. Most of them I might say. There may be a few but it would still be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
I can empathize with your situation. And, depending on the church, you might find friendship without much pressure to convert. But there seems that other opportunities may be available. The farmers market may have gardening groups or other opportunities. Even though the community is small there may be some type of voluntary activity, that does not involve care taking, you would be interested in doing.
The first step is to talk to people. Usually they will talk with you and want to be helpful.
I do love talking to people and participate whenever and wherever I can. It's great...well most of the time anyway lol. Who knows something may come of that at some point. You just never know. Thanks for the advice.
Yes it can be hard having to deal with those thing on your own. We all need human interaction. Does the place you live at have a library, maybe you could start your own coffee group on some subject or another.
I agree and thank you
It might work for some, but it wouldn't work for me. It would be like saying I might like to join a cult for the community. I know those who say regular church people are not in a cult, but it feels like a cult to me since I have never been able to wrap my head around why people believe these things, or even pretend to. It makes me nervous and uncomfortable. (I'm reading "Helter Skelter" about the Manson murders. It's really a riveting, true life horror story. So many of the societal problems that resonated back then still do today. There was so much garbage in the zeitgeist that it made it easy to use against those on the fringes, and that is what Mason did. I couldn't see myself joining "the family" for community, either, lol.)
I also see it as a cult and joining that cult really isn't for me. I totally agree with you. Thanks On a side note Helter Skelter might be a good suggestion for my next book .... thanks.
If there is a Unitarian Universalist church near you, that might be a great choice. They are accepting of many different points of view, including atheism and agnosticism, as well as all faiths. They have very tolerant and open-minded outlook.
Thank you. I will look into it.
Church is actually a pretty decent place to socialize. Probably it's only real value, unless the church you happen to hang out at actually takes it's philanthropic mission seriously.
One of the most difficult things to deal with when you have an individual in the family who is suffering from dementia is convincing them that it is time to move in somewhere that can help make living with their illness easier. There are people who can assist you with that process. Please speak with a professional to help stage an intervention. There is no reason that this situation should be consuming your life 24/7.
Yes. My sister thinks dementia might be involved but I personally think it is just my mother being herself. (sounds awful and I grapple with the guilt of thinking like this).I have never had a loving relationship with her....I find her to be the same person she has always been but just on steroids. However my sister had a totally different mothering experience with her and she is having a tough time with her state of being. My mother has a great support system operating around her (which includes the family and government support systems) to enable her to stay in her own home but I think intervention is an option that may have to be taken some time soon. She will kick and scream but that will have to be dealt with. It really would be the best option for her. As in all of these cases it is just a matter of convincing her of that. Thank you for you comments.
Iāve simply attended the party meetings of my favorite political group ā¦ which always leads to a healthy connection and worthwhile activities, even amid the most regressive of communities. What Iāve noticed when associating with the religious is ..thereās always a āreligious test,ā and that ultimately, you hit a wall friendship wiseā¦
It is apparent how easy it would be to find instant companionship ..in multiple ways if I were to begin attending any of the numerous churches in my area. But if integrity is paramount ..we often suffer alone. Glad youāre āhere,ā though
Thank you. Political groups are a great idea. We are suffering the same symptoms of rot here (politically) as the U.S. and the U.K. just to name a few so joining them might help give me some purpose. Great idea. Thanks
Iāve had the same inclinations in the past. I found church groups to be especially clannish, and wary if newcomers. They are especially open in the beginning but press the āAre you one of us?ā questions. They do socialize together, but it felt more like herding for orotection. Give it a try, but be aware that itās the outsiders who approach newcomers first.
BOY! You sound much the same as me, Except for the Mother part. I moved to the South here in the states for the warmer Winters and the beautiful outdoors here in a very wooded and hilly retirement community. Unfortunately it is in what we call the bible belt here in the states. Don't get me wrong. The folks here are very friendly and open. It's just that I can't become engulfed in their way of thinking about God. I have considered going to their churches ( Been invited many times ) but I just can't be so phony, just to have more of a social life . Good luck to you, Yours, Richard.
Well I totally relate and these are the same reasons that I know I will not follow through on my thought! lol I'm sure that I will find something that fits me eventually. I hope you have found the same.
Google the words support groups and your city. I get a listing of free groups. Meet up has a lot of groups that cost money.
I hope you get some relief soon
Thank you. I actually had not considered a support group.(for myself) However, having said that I actually did suggest it to my sister!!! lol
I think you are being way too self-critical. I agree with rogueflyer about you joining some sort of non-believer group or a Unitarian church if they have any in your area. There is nothing wrong with getting some emotional support with what you are going thru with your own depression and the stress of dealing with your mother's problems. As long as you are not attending or joining some Christian church where you would be lying or faking belief to get that support, what is there for you to apologize for or feel bad about yourself for just because you are being honest with yourself about needing more support than you currently have from friends and family?
Unitarians are known for being Community oriented. Regardless of what YOU believe. It might be a good fit. If that's what you're seeking and you can't find it elsewhere locally.
Thank you.
@RavenCT I know it wouldnt be a good fit. I don't lie well and my pretence would soon be discovered. But when motivated one has to consider all options, right? lol
@patchoullijulie Np I meant they\re known for full on accepting atheists with no issues about it.
You don't have to lie. They are into community.
It really depends on the Unitarian church of course. It would probably be wise to speak to the pastor (or whatever they call their lead person). They can tell you if it would be an appropriate fit.
Apparently belief in any god is NOT a requirement. They are about community.
It's one of the few churches that doesn't make me flee in horror. lol Though having been raised Roman Catholic I'm now pretty allergic to them. But I have an older sister who is a Unitarian and she's found great support there. Without the judgement.
@RavenCT I actually misread your post. I am going to check it out. Thanks
Join a secular Sunday service or a Humanist Free Thought group. Better people.
I really hadn't considered those two, why I don't know, but thanks for the idea.