I live in America and am surrounded by Christians.
Whenever I talk about myself to religous people, I want to say ,"I am an atheist". Do you say that? Is there a better way?
Trump not the most politically savvy man around claimed to be a believer and had his Bible with him on his inauguration day. I could tell by his body language it was a stunt. Believer or not he needed to appeal to a country that does not take well to Atheism. Even non religious people bulk at the idea. Exceptions abound of course and varies State to State. So tred carefully if you don't want to upset them.
Personally if your not willing to lie then your silence is a better option. Its not fair but as an Atheist you must see the world as it is. If you disagree I will not mind. I like disagreement it stimulates my mind but I implore you to only reject this because
you think it is wrong not because you don't like it.
sorry to be clear my point about Trump was that cluessless as he is even he recognised or agreed that America does not take well to Atheism.
McCarthyism is alive and well in USA....Our nation was founded without the gawd sound never once being printed/scribed into the Constitution.... Masons, Atheists, Unitarians and freethinkers like Ethan Allen all wanted a country where religious tests were illegal... thus sayeth Article 6 of 1787 ....the trinitarian garbage of Church of England was repudiated and colonial theocracies were criminalized.....none the less, religion has been a tool to conquer Native Tribes and destroy their natural scientific lifestyles....makes me wanna puke in the face of any criminal theocrat who claims USA is xian or 'judeo-xian" as if anti-semitism never ruled xian communities for 200 years .... now it's popular to murder Palestinians and steal their land because YHWH the alleged bible gawd Jehovah is favored by zionists
I find it very difficult to tell people I am an atheist so I just usually don't. It is difficult for two reasons.
When you say you are an atheist, they will
I get that.
i am lucky in this way: i don't have to be anywhere it would matter if people treated me differently. i am disabled. i am old. i go to adult daycare because my alzheimer's-stricken guy won't go without me, and he needs it. it's a daycare connected with a jewish facility. the clientele is both jewish and not jewish. once in a long while one of them (they've become friends now but they have memory issues) will ask me if i'm jewish, and i say yes, because i am. there is one developmentally disabled client who occasionally mentions that she is catholic but i think it's because she feels a little surrounded; she is not trying to convert anyone. geez, mentioning something is okay! there was ONE new client recently who loudly sang praises to jesus ALL the time. it bothered the other clients and i don't know if she has been moved to another daycare or isn't feeling well or what, but i haven't seen her for a while. she is non compos mentis and is not trying to convert anyone; she's just happy and, well, christian. so it's a safe environment but sometimes gets interesting lol. the staff are not jewish and don't talk about religion spontaneously (but will discuss it thoughtfully if asked), though we have crafts projects based on the jewish (and other) holidays.
that's it, unless i go to the doctor, and the doctors don't push religion, even at methodist hospital, where my guy is at the moment. so i am VERY lucky this way and have nothing to lose by just speaking the truth. i don't wear a banner "hey world, i'm an atheist!" but i don't hide it either. if it comes up, there it is. i may or may not be the person to bring it up. it's not important to anyone i know. if i had a job with a christian company... well, that wouldn't happen anyway. it never did, my whole life.
that is not to say odd things don't happen. i won't try to list them all, but once in japan i was asked "oh, you're jewish -- what kind of christian is that?" another time i was at a christmas party (in america) at the home of a friend of a friend and it turns out they were ALL extreme christian evangelicals. they sincerely believe that the beach boys sat down with the devil and signed a contract. yes, THAT extreme. one of them, with whom i'd talked before and with whom i was friendly, had no idea that jews didn't believe in the divinity of jesus. she asked something that led me to understand that she didn't know this, so i explained it to her, adding, well, that's the great thing about america: we have freedom of religion here. you can be a christian and i can be a jew (that time i didn't mention atheism; my being a jew was shocking enough to her!) and neither of us is wrong. she frowned, thought about it, and said she disagreed with that. she never spoke to me again. guess what? HER LOSS!
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The fact that you do not want to engage with Christians says more about their likely intolerance than their love for you.A true follower of Jesus would listen to your views however antipathetic they were to his or her faith without rancour in the hope that you may see the light one day.Even if you made it clear that you cannot envisage circumstances in which a leap of faith would be possible your believer interlocutor should should continue to hope you may change your mind whilst holding out the hand of friendship.If anger is the reaction to the communication of your views try someone else but do not give up.You do not live in Iran or parts of Indonesia but in the USA which guarantees freedom of speech
I agree with this completely. Like any group there are assholes and decent folk. All of my Christian friends recognize my views and respect me enough not to preach. I in return respect their right to believe what they want as well.
@Quarm it seems nowadays we cannot have a rational conversation with religious fundamentalists as any criticism of their beliefs causes them to take immediate offence closing down any further meaningful communication.The reaction is even more pronounced if any reference to texts that call for violence against sinners or apostates as many adherents of the world’s major religions would prefer to avoid such teachings and emphasise the positive humane aspects of their beliefs such as the giving of alms to the poor and loving one’s neighbour.
Skeptic,,, seems like a better word choice than atheist when talking to Bible bumpers
A big part of my atheism, and my humanism, is honesty and a will to live life in a self-respecting manner. I really do not see why I have to change the way I speak, or why I have to use euphemisms in consideration of their delicate ego or fragile beliefs. Why having such considerations toward them when they do not extend the same considerations toward us?
OMG No...that would be their cue to try and convert you!!!!!!
I don't unless they ask, then I just tell them and if they start with oh you just got to pray for him to reveal himself and all that I say I used to be a Christian and you don't how badly I wish still believed like that, life was so much easier when I belived I had someone looking out for me.
Reality it is better to me than lies and fantasies
Don't be afraid of your beliefs. If Christians are talking about how they feel just simply come out and disagree. Make sure you've done your research though. I've been caught in conversations where I forget key pieces of information and my argument seems flawed.
stick to your beliefs, key information will naturally flow through you, and . . . never lose your sense of humor if you ever got caught in an argument as my father always reminds me that "NOBODY WINS AN ARGUMENT"
We have to remember always, we are right , they are wrong.
Je suis musulmans
you mean?
This person wrote "I am a muslim" in French.
First, you get a bunch of balloons and confetti, bust through the door and go, "surprise! I'm an Atheist! Wooot!"
I'm being silly, but if that is your style, go for it! Lol! Here is my thing, I don't tell them unless they ask me. If someone was Christian and you're having a casual conversation or first meeting, did you say "Oh, I'm a Christian by the way...could you pass me the ketchup, please?" That would be quite odd. I find that when you just tell them up front, it makes it seem like you're one of those crusaders carrying a banner and charging in on them about to challenge their beliefs.
What I've done is if the topic ever comes up and they inquire, because it eventually comes up, I wait for the opportunity to arise and then tell them I'm an agnostic...or in this case, you'd say you're an atheist. Then the look after you tell them, rather than their words, will tell you how they'll treat you fro then on. I live in the South in the US and I tell ya, they assume that everyone is Christian or religious. Then, when you tell them something like, "I'm agnostic" they automatically think it is the same as an atheist. Only if they're open to allowing me to explain things to them, will I tell them the difference.
i agree
I live up north (USA) and in these parts, your "they assume that everyone is Christian or religious" sadly, also applies.
sometimes there are friends who'd invite you to some religious meeting or such and I am like "that's good bro I guess but, I don't believe in such"
To me, if they know you're an Atheist and they still invite you, I think that it is a trap. There was an acquaintance of mine who is a Christian, and she knew that I was agnostic and invited me to this Christian bible study thing. I told her "no thank you" and she kind of got weirded out and offended and asked me what was the reason for my "switch." Then later said she hoped that one day I will find my way back. I told her, "I hope I won't become that weak anymore."
@CatiValti23 Very good. Reminds me of a similar talk I had with a fellow teacher years ago. He was a paying member of a really bat-shit crazy church that had children praying before cut-outs of a Republican president (Think the video showing this is part of a movie called Religulous) I told him I would destroy with facts and reason all the faith based assertions of those in his cult. When he told me he already paid my very expensive entrance due I told him he better find another sheep because I would not be beneficial to his cause.
I say it straight out. I was taught as a child how evil atheists were. I spent too many years intimidated by my abusive evangelical mother and now that I have a TBI...It's almost a physical problem for me to lie. In response to say nope I'm an atheist, I've been told I'm the nicest atheist one guy has ever met! One woman told me..."But you look like such a nice person" Most people that I tell don't spend much time debating me because I'm pretty clear that I think religion is cruel and abusive to children.
I feel like I'm part of the beginning of humanity letting it go. In whatever small way we really are making a difference by spreading knowledge and talking to others. I feel its my duty to be honest for the sake of the world my children and grandchildren have to live in.
I remember seeing an atheist on tv when I was a little girl. I asked my mom what an atheist was and she got all upset..teared up, almost shaking from emotion and said, "They're TERRIBLE PEOPLE who don't believe in god!!!" It's funny because I think my mom could almost be called agnostic now. LOL.
If you were on stage, I would stand and applaud. Although the church I was forced to attend when young didn't acknowledge atheists, In school it was common knowledge that atheists gathered in cemeteries to sacrifice dogs to the devil. I have witnessed much destruction to the minds of youth including a lovely young woman who, according to her suicide note that her friends found, "I have killed myself so I can live forever with my dead father and Jesus in heaven" - - - there are many other stories. . . I fully share your sentiment.
I slam their religion without mercy and give examples of why their respective religion is crap.
If thay say "I'll pray for you" Its game on!
it is not in my naire to judge or argue with others or for them to judge either t
I am of the age where I really do not care what anyone thinks of me. If my beliefs are relevant I'll just state them. If someone doesn't like it s/he can F%$# off.
You and I are the same. I could give a rat's ass what someone thinks of me. I do not feel I have to explain my belief system. If someone presses me on dogmatic religion too much, I tell them, I go to church everyday, I commune outside, step into mother nature's planet. I see perfection everywhere from a blue jay to a red maple tree, to a magical butterfly, I feel the power of a higher presence.
I'm glad you didn't spell that nasty word the right way because I have very sensibilities and it hurts my eyes to read those four letter words!! This shit's fun!
I live in Islamic county and telling religious people my real believe is not a good idea
For women, it is pretty much a suicide to revel.
I explain that I am a humanist and have no belief in god. People naturally want to "save" you to tell you why they believe. I find firm believers often have a story, a very pursuesive story that helps them rationalize their beliefs. I do not care if others believe and I am not focused on changing their belief system. I let others know this and that if they ask, I explain why I do not believe in a god. I don't try, but I think I set a good example of being "good without god" - that the constructs of "morality" do not start with faith, but a knowledge of how to perpetuate the human race. But even then - that is all subjective. I personally am a humanist - I "believe" in furthering the human species, as well as all other species, on this planet in a sustainable and responsible way - not all atheists or agnostic people "believe" in these ideals. I think overall, you need to be able to have confidence and security in your beliefs. I recently had a great conversation with a former-Yugoslavian region war survivor at my work who firmly believes in god as he is alive due to god's intervention and now lives in a beautiful area in the US. His children are very well off and he is "blessed". He asked me about my faith and I was honest - he initially tried to disagree, but when he began to understand that I was a good person, who cared for him and others, and expressed that I did not rely on "faith" do do this, he accepted that he would not change my position and, as he knows me well as a co-worker, accepted my position. It wasn't "agreeing to disagree", it was accepting our differences and respecting one another. did not seek to tell him he was wrong and I did not hope to have him tell me I was right. Its not about the. He's a cool guy with a great history. It is about respecting each other.
And he's probably so traumatised by events that he fails to connect the fact that though god save him, he let an awful lot of other innocent people die horrific deaths.
That was really good the way I look at it if God is good why all the atrocities and Hate the greed the deception I don't see anything related to love in that I believe in a creator more or less the indigenous way of life but I sure as hell don't believe there is a loving God I think maybe you said that we have to have self confidence and like ourselves I have a hard time with those things because I don't hear see things right get things mixed up easily
It all depends on what's at stake. If I'm at work I'm not going to discuss my atheism. If I had parents who would throw me out of the house I'm not going to discuss my atheism. As an adult who is capable of taking care of my own needs, I let all my friends and family know I'm an atheist. I often times wear T-Shirts saying I'm an Atheist. If my theist friends don't want anything more to do with me then I'll deal with that loss, but I'm not afraid to tell someone I'm not convinced. I would say that Christians aren't afraid to tell you their beliefs so as long as you're not mocking them and you mention it with respect I wouldn't be afraid to tell them you're not convinced.
you are right
I generally don't unless asked directly. If I do tell someone, I'll use something like "I'm between religions right now", and let them figure that one out for themselves.
Hahaha! "I'm between religions right now!" or "I'm just resting from religion for the moment!" Too funny!
I don't bring it up but if it comes up I certainly don't shy away from it. I once had a woman tell me how terrible she thought Atheists were. So I said, "Really? I'm an atheist." I try to always challenge their misconceptions about what a non-believer is before I let the truth bomb hit, though.
Yes there is a better way. Educate yourself in geology, cosmology & physics, and talk to them. Don't be in any rush to convert people. Just help them to awaken the rational part of their brain, if you can. Worldviews don't collapse in a single moment.
That is true . Talk about more science , sociology , pyscology etc....thank you.
I tell then I'm a True Non-believer.
Andy, that's exactly what I do also!
I tend not to say "I'm an atheist," because there's a lot of misguided religious people that think atheism is a religion. I have no problem simply saying I don't believe in god. Sometimes that leads to a disappointed look on their face. Other times it leads to questions. But the best is when they've been speaking to me for an extended amount of time and I drop the atheist thing on them. The look of confusion on their face as their mind tries to understand how someone could be both a good person and an atheist is wonderfully satisfying. But be careful if you try this as their heads do sometimes explode.
I think being upfront is the way to go. Just tell em you are not willing to believe something without evidence.
I love it when they look at you quizzically and say "the evidence is the bible!", "Oh let's talk about the bible, shall we?" is normally my reply, Bring it on! Ha!
I just tell them I'm not religious
Me too.
Assuming that it came up (because I wouldn't bring it up), I usually say "I'm not a believer". This way I didn't say there is or isn't god. I also haven't said that I believe there isn't a god. Which is true; I cannot prove the negative, yadda yadda. I simply say that I am not a believer.
I'll listen to them for a bit, if it goes there, but then I usually try to terminate the discussion. It is rare that I have a mature and intelligent conversation about it anyway.
I do believe that my religion shows in my behavior. Judge me by that.
I like " It is rare that I have a mature and intelligent conversation about it anyway." so true!
I tell theists, I don't think there is a God, but if there is, he knows I'm telling the truth. And I am perfectly willing to listen to God, but not hearsay about God ! Did God tell you he authorized a book, or do you normally go around talking crap about the creator of the universe ?
Why did you call " he "