Whether they be Witnesses, Mormons, or another proselytizing religion, how do you deal with people coming to your door to spread their religion?
I just had my first experience since getting a place of my own and had a decent conversation through the crack in my door. After I told him I was an atheist he tried to use apologetics; when I told him I was familiar with his arguments and didn't find them convincing further explaining that I take a scientific route of belief and chose not to believe until there is evidence for a god. He understood and thanked me for explaining and listening to him and he left with a handshake. I was surprised at myself for how civil I was to him but how does everyone else usually respond?
I don't encounter evangelical Mormons much, but the Witnesses come around my neighborhood on about a quarterly basis, as near as I can figure it out. I know the opening of the canned speech about as well as they do, so when the spokesperson comes to "...and we'd like to share," I break in with a smile and "And I wouldn't be interested." Beyond that, I just am politely firm for the next couple of lines, they politely thank me for my time, and we part company. I've found that works better than antagonism or explanation.
For the most part I shoe them away.
What gets me is the high street bible thumpers. Shouting at everyone that they are wrong and bad people. Now even though I am an atheist, I do know quite a lot about the bible and religion (a bit like lord of the rings). So I pull them up on doctrine. One woman was going at like nobodies business and I quoted "let your women be silent in the temple". Not I think that of women but she should if she really believes ALL the stuff in that book.
FYI the one to kill any fundamentalist christian argument is "was the last supper before or after the Passover"? Luke and Mathew say the opposite of each other.
YEARS ago, I had a Jehovah Witness come knocking on my door with his wife and child. I politely told him I was not opening the door because there was a knock, but I was literally heading out to work. He asked if he could come back at another time so I told him my schedule and let him know what times worked for me.
I HAD to invite him back. The wooden stair case leading up to my apartment looked very scary, and felt quite unstable.So if he was willing to traverse it, I was more than willing to listen to him.
The gentleman came back. We would talk over a cup of coffee. (i think he had tea??) The more he tried to convince me that what he believed was true and real, the more questions I would ask, and the more he started to dis-believe it himself. (you could see it in his eye's, and the expression on his face.)
This went on for a few weeks with a visit once a week, until one week he didn't show... then another.
Mind you, this isn't how I always deal with 'Door Knockers'... I have also...
-Answered the door with 666 written on my forehead, holding a whole chicken, and a large kitchen knife. While I look them up and down as though I had found a more suitable sacrifice.
-Answered the door with a giant smile saying "No thank-you, I have my own religion. But you are more than willing to come in and join us. There is plenty of Kool-aid for everybody."
-Answered the door and before they could say anything I ask "Is that religious shit." And just close the door in their face.
But most times I am polite. Just tell them I am not interested. I offer them a bottle of water or can of pop if it is a hot day. If they start to get pushy, then I pull out that I can't believe in a Gaud that would allow such suffering in the world. And if he is real, he is a piece of shit.
That is how I deal with Door Knockers.
Same as you, I talk to them.
Ask them questions, like -
in the Noah's ark story, why did God drown a lot of innocent animals? Noah saved no more than seven of each, so God drowned thousands or millions of animal who didn't sin. [Can they sin?]
He is God, so he could have take them all to Heaven for forty days (Noah too, for that matter). Or gifted them all with breath water. Or made them all vanish, and spent another six days making them all again.
Where did Noah fit all the Dinosaurs?
@Leafhead where did he keep the termites? And which of the band of castaways was carrying the syphilis?
Haven't had any ''door knockers'' in a while, but I do have a co-worker who is a Witness. Talking about religions with this person is a bit tricky to put it nicely. The person is 100% convinced he/she is right, while I have been always a person who questions things and believes that there are always uncertainties.
Always difficult to communicate with a ''complete'' or a ''perfect'' person.
E: Sorry, I kinda dodged the original question with my whataboutism...
I try to deal with them with respect and try to find atleast some common ground. Doesn't always work which results in me leaving the situation.
actually they tend to avoid my family. last i heard they were calling us heathens, lol.
Usually i am civil. I begin with, "save your breath. You are not plowing a fertile field here, pilgrim." if that does not immediately work i show them printed brochures about non-christian religions that have their own avatars... Like meher baba or the buddah. I keep these by the front door just in case. If all else fails, i tell them i'm a jew. That usually gets them off the porch in a hurry. I rarely get angry, but on the odd occasion i have had to resort to idle threats. Once years ago i answered the door thinking it was my girlfriend. I had just gotten out of the shower and put on my robe. Somehow it came open when i i opened the door. There stood three 'witnesses'... Two elderly and one very pretty young girl. We were all surprised to say the least. More later.
I like a good debate, so I'd invite them in if I have time. I don't think they have an evidence that would convince me, but I might be able to sow some doubt in them.
The last one that came was a Witness. I told him before he started that I am an atheist. He asked me how I thought we were"created". I said that we weren't created, we simply live on a Goldilocks planet - not too cold or too hot and there was the right combination of vegetation et al to support us. As to why that was, well simply put it is just serendipitous. He was stumped as to what to say to that and told me to have a nice day.
As I used to be a Witness they seldom come to the door but sometimes they don’t know the house. The last time, I was not in the best mood so I simply explained that I was an atheist and I didn’t believe the Bible was in any way inspired or worthy of reverence. To make their point they started reading from the Bible. DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING I SAID? HAVE YOU GOT SHIT IN YOUR EARS OR IS IT IN YOUR BRAIN. Slam, bang thank you man, they were gone.
@gearl Sad thing now about JWs is that now they're suiting up little boys, handing them a briefcase and sending THEM to the doors (as the adults watch at a safe distance). This happened to me once, I listened politely to the child's spiel, and then asked him where his parents were. He pointed to the street, and as I walked down to them, the adults smiled triumphantly, thinking they'd caught a convert. I proceeded to chew them out for sending children. "Do you realize there are 14 registered child molesters within a 9 mile radius? (TRUE) Probably not, or you wouldn't have put your child in peril. I could've grabbed him, forced him inside and slit his throat faster than you could have saved him," I said. "Apparently, you don't value your children much. Quit USING THEM." They apologized and I've never had another call since.
@Lewellyn3 wow. People are so dumb. I will keep this story in mind though. I may borrow it if I ever see any of that around me
I was more polite when I was younger. I would tell them honestly and openly that I intended to gently mock their beliefs and advise them to walk on. I'd then tease them a bit but they usually took the hint.
More recently I have become convinced that religion is the cancer of which the human race will die. I'm less inclined to chat with people who want to give me cancer. (Getting a bit grumpy in my old age!)
I never invite them in, but will step outside to converse. They’ve always been polite to my polite “no”
i have said...so you believe the bible is the word of god, which the answer is usually yes , i then add so slavery , killing of gays is ok?.....they might try to justify that slavery was ok for those times....and that the new testament is the word they follow....i answered so jesus came to right the wrong of the old testament... and god was wrong then......the answer i got was you need to read this and that verse....by now they are rather uncomfortable , and just want to leave...
I tend to be civil to these people. Most people with a religion different to theirs are rude and confrontational. I like to point out I have no religion, but leave them confused that I was polite and welcoming to them.
Very good I like That
They are usually fairly easy-going and will leave if you politely tell them you aren't interested. You might have to say it a few times though. I did get to have a fascinating discussion with some Mormon boys about the philosophies of non-duality once. I could tell one of them was really interested. Hopefully I planted a few seeds of independent thought.
Next time the Mormons come around, ask them if they know that the mormon church didn't accept African Americans as converts until 1970ish. Before then, the church taught that black people couldn't be saved, were the descendants of the angels who rebelled in heaven and were "cursed" with dark skin.
That will make things extremely awkward, but should help them think too.
Yeah, i've heard about that, that our skin is brown because the evil of Satan basically burned our skin. LOL! It would be funny if i didn't know a lot of people still believe that stuff.
I only say it once-with styleLOL
Good for you, well done.
I tell them my daughter is a witch and part of a coven. Then I invite them in. So far, no takers!
I used to tell them I was Pagan. At first they were incredulous, then scared. It didn't keep the next wave of newbies from coming around, though.
It basically depends, door to door sales are usually told to piss off, God squad are usually given the hosepipe treatment or told to piss off just before I photograph them and warn everyone on Facebook that the loonies are doing the rounds again, had the God squad here once with kids, and that IS child abuse.
It hasn't happened to me yet. But if they come to my place, I plan to open the door wearing nothing but my bra and undies and a satanic cross necklace. Then ask "are you the escort/prostitute I sent for?"
Then watch them scurry away. XD
I know I'm terrible.
LMFAO!
lol
I can only hope on that day I'll be walking by with my rubber goat head and robes on so I can shout back "I'm going to pick them up right now. Keep those two entertained until we get back!" lol
Forget the Satanic Cross. Bra and undies should do the trick.
many many many years ago, I had a friend chicken blood and craft feathers on his arms and face before he answered the door...he asked if they were there to deliver the sacrificial goat and that they were welcome to stay for orgy
Thanks for that laugh, I might have cracked a rib.
That is hilarious!
LOL!!
No no no. You should open the door naked. If you're going to make a point do it right!
My uncle saw two JWs knocking on doors on his street many years ago. A woman in her 50s and a girl of maybe 20 popped up on his porch and before they could say anything he opened his door and said, "Come in gals. The old lady is gone and we can have a good time." They took off in great haste.
@Diarmaede very cute
heh heh
This happened all the time on my mission for the LDS church.
Too funny! As are a number of the3 comments below! LMAOtoo
Bra and undies? Give them the full month! You'll be glad you did.
I actually used to open the door on Saturday mornings to find a group of Jehovah's Witnesses. Generally it was a group of women and of course I would open the door while Stark naked with warm beer in one hand and a cold Pizza in the other. I would invite them in,and of course, they would decline and avert their eyes but naturally, they did so after checking out the package.... The funniest thing to me, was that each time they would stay gone for 2 weeks or so and then they would come back with a new group of women but always there was that same matriarch that seemed to take some strange Glee in getting her flock to parade to my door. Go figure
Awesomeness!!
Haha.. That's awesome. Or put red food dye on some old sweats, mess up your hair, and rip your shirt, and answer the door, "Oh good you're here. I've cleaned up most of the blood. Did you bring the bleach?"
My rates are very reasonable luv!
now i know where that door is i want to knock on!!
You need a little time to get ready, this would be great, they will pray for you for a ;long time. Wish I was this creative. Youmade me laugh, Thanks.
Faster way is just wear the cross and skip the bra and panties.
@Simply_Being that's probably as much action as they'll ever get! Hahaha!
@Nutmeg4381 Honestly.... if I'm looking for a long-term relationship it's really hard to find a decent person. If I'm looking just for some Tramp that puts out for the price of dinner and a couple of drinks, well of course I will go straight to church. Lol. This is the honest truth and I have a theory... I think those that are most repressed are those who will more quickly throw off their shackles at the slightest hint of freedom....
Hey! Where do you live?! I have a couple of “watchtower” magazines. I would love to knock on your door!! : p
I once wrapped myself in a black sheet (I was doing laundry, it was handy), greeted them in Arabic, and watched them scurry. But I didn't feel like talking that day.
I've also invited them in for tea and shown them I know their scriptures better, and in more languages, than they do. I think they find that extremely annoying.
It might chase them away or it might persuade a few of them to become atheists. It could go either way
Forget the bra and undies! Just the satanic cross
I'll be at your door shortly ... is there a good time to catch you in said attire ... as well would it be to forward of me to respond ... well yes I am ...lol!
Answering the door in your bra and panties? What's your address? Asking for a friend...
your assumption that they scurry away may be flawed...i know, in a previous lifetime I was a Mormon missionary...
Where do you live? I'll come by and try to convert you to a Boston Bruins fan.
@Simply_Being I was raised a JW they do that till you say please don’t come back then they write you don’t as a do not call .
They came to my door once, and I opened it and was nude. Lol
@ciscokidd Lmao
Could we meet soon
I'm grabbing a bible and I will be right over!
@TaraMarshall Very funny!
Research has shown Agnostics and Atheists know more about religion than fundamentalists do.
(takes up new hobby proselytizing in hopes of this situation)
that was freaking hilarious