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Fellow agnostics, how do you feel about believers joining?

This is likely contentious, but it needs to be asked. As this is a site "...promoting universal truths and peaceful life without religion" how do you feel about people of faith joining here?

I'm no shrinking violet and I don't need the sort of safe space that so many people believe they do now, but I also don't want to have to engage with people who have been inculcated into some form of unscientific, simple-minded view of the natural world.

I joined in the belief (cough) that this was an exclusive club where I could escape from these folk - but now I find they are joining - with a view to what, I don't know although my hackles are raised.

Not only is this sort of thing wasteful of resources, but if they are here to try to convert or preach at us, that's likely to result in a dissemination to all-out flame wars in a post or two.

I didn't think this was a site to convert people from one way of thinking to another (that sort of thing is nigh-on impossible by the time we're in our 20s anyway.)

I ask because I'm interested what my fellow angostic/athiests think.

I've noted that "theists" tend to butt in to these conversations with their ignorance and that's what I came here to avoid.

I'm getting too old to argue.

Draco 6 Sep 25
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I kind of have mixed views on it. Although I do like to hear different viewpoints I also like the fact that most of us are on the same level as far as our skepticism of religion goes.

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Only if this is a debate center and I do not like to debate. Believers would rant us to death on here and you could never get through to them. They want to go through BS that has already been brought out so many times you know it by heart. None of it proves their god or their beliefs.
A thousand times NO.

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No, I'm not ok with it. I get a nice message from a member and I check out his profile: 100% positive there is a God. So what are you doing here, dude?!? Did ya strike out on christianmingle.com? FOH. The whole reason we're here is to escape the knuckleheads, so no, I'm not open to it. I get enough of that nonsense from my FB friends, I don't need it here, too.

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If they are here for genuine inquiry or understanding then that is fine with me. If however, their goal is to preach, proselytize or provoke then that is an emphatic NO!

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Feed them to the lions, lol... It would depend on why an individual is here, if they are curios about what kind of people don’t believe in god, great, maybe they have cracked the door open and are starting to see logic or just exploring their doubt? But if they are here just to be spew religious poison and argue from ignorance, the lions!

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Then don't argue present your point of view. I like the garden-approach to life and viewpoints that have been expressed on this site. I don't want a replicant of me to converse with. How is it a waste of resources?

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no thanks this suits me just fine there is enough engagemennt with difference here to last a lifetime i don't want intolerance in the mix.

brilliant! i love your reasoning 🙂

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I agree with what you say. I can’t understand why they are on here either but as long as they don’t start evangelizing I’m ok with them being on here.

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Why would they want to even ?

Mostly because they think "you are angry with god" and they want to save you.

3

I resent being labled a "Theist' simply because I entertain hope that we are not alone in the universe! Just because I'm open to the idea of an adavanced race of beings, doesn't mean I would worship them, or that they would neccesarily need to be "creators" of any sort!

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I echo your sentiment, as this site should primarily be for those who are not connected to any religion. It's nice to have access to a religion-free site.

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Odd that people would join a group that is principled against them, it does call into question their motive. I agree an open forum for debate is worthwhile, I'm not sure that this is the place, after all a debate should be in the open. This is a group of similarly minded individuals, nit looking to persuade each other about the validity of their beliefs. All in all, I think that another place would be better.

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Those damn people have infiltrated everywhere else, and they are hateful bulies. No, this should be a bully free zone.

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Personally, I'm open to talking to all sorts of people. As long as they don't push their beliefs on others. While I do not worship anyone's god/gods, I have always been interested in the topic. It can be difficult however, to find a religious person who can discuss without trying to convert. But I have met a few. I can totally understand not wanting to have them on a site like this though, it can get tiresome trying to find the few who are open to a nonjudgmental discussion.

Byrd Level 7 Mar 26, 2018
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Personally I joined this because I wanted to be as much of that angry atheist as possible without friends and family calling me out on it outside of Facebook. I mean, do whatever you want, but it is called Agnostic for a reason

Adam7 Level 4 Mar 26, 2018

In Atheist Nexus we report them and they get booted out pretty quickly. They start slowly and then want to preach to us there.

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Ying and Yang without both being presented its an uneven conversation ?

i don't understand: what has the yin yang to do with believers (mainly) trolling an agnostics website? i am not here to stumble across folks trying to convert me to their imaginary friend on the basis of same-old, same-old (yawn) arguments, on the contrary: i am here for intelligent conversation.

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To be honest there is enough influence to be had here among the unbeliving. We're all in various stages of self-awareness and [lack of] skill with critical thinking. For those of us who are deconverts we're all in various stages of prying religious faith and its associated operant conditioning out of our heads with crowbars.

I participate both here and on sites where the religious abound, and I've noticed something.

Basic questions like "what is the difference exactly between agnosticism and atheism" get asked here more often than on those other sites, but the questions are more honestly open and curious and seeking, and more desiring of a response based in reason and reasonableness. On those other sites there are always theists hectoring you about how evil / wrong you are, and informing you of what your beliefs and motivations are. In other words lots of bloviation and otherizing, and virtually NO listening or respectfulness.

I would rather address such questions reasonably, with reasonable people, or people who are at least well along on the journey to being reasonable.

It's not that there's no value in addressing those questions with theists in the mix, it's just that you're almost never going to get anywhere in moving along the thinking of such people. I participate in those sites because of the lurkers, not the actual participants. The lurkers are the true seekers there, but they're silent. Here, they are more active. That is refreshing.

I see it as a sort of continuum -- on the mixed sites, the doubters are unwilling to admit to their doubts openly, even to themselves, but know at some level they are on the wrong track. At some point they come someplace like this, where they're willing to openly address their lack of belief and are concerned with the practical matters of living in a majority theist society. I like helping them along in both environments but frankly after a few years on places like thethinkingatheist.com and city-data.com I am getting pretty tired of the fact that not one theist argument in years has been new or novel. It is just the same old same old.

If I repeat myself here at least it's just because of new people that haven't figured out how to read old threads, it's not that they're that 3,000th theist all full of themselves and convinced they have a "checkmate, atheists" argument that no one has ever heard before when in fact it's easily dispensed with in two sentences.

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Why would they even want to?

my experience? mainly for trolling.

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Im not here to dabate my non belief in the BS that is religion, if that happens I will leave.

we mostly just keep blocking & reporting the deluded ones, & eventually admin kicks them out 🙂

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I am really enjoying reading you all. Finally I get to know people that think similar than me.
I have to many catholics, jews and Christians around me and respecting them means that I need to be polite and not really me. They don't respect me when I say "I don't believe" They think "Poor Susy, she will go to hell". I smile and think "poor them, that live in a fantasy world, although sometimes I like to argue with them, but is exhausting.
I agree, they do not belong to this place.

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I think this to be true but we have the will to join in with these people or not,,, Just like on a political discussion. When people are in a group there is limitless words to describe this group. If you look there is the word "Spiritual" which is a wide range of people out there. Each word is described as something pertaining to this group. You do not have to follow their questions or comments. I choose the discussions and questions I want to answer. I do not control anyone else but me..... P.S. I like to discuss things not argue. And that comes with age also.

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Personally, I'm fine with anyone joining, but I'm not interested in debating religion. I'll block anyone who tries to convert me in a nanosecond.

I mainly joined to find locals with like mindsets, expecially for dating them. It has worked well, so far, I might add, so thank you, @Admin.

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I think a believer would be overwhemed with disagreement on this site. So be free to challenge their passions, what can their words hurt?. Like a TV, just ignore it, then it loses it's power or programing on you. If an asshole who wants to spread their evil around. if it's not real love or kindness it has no effect on me.

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Sounds like a nightmare, I'm finding this an open and supportive place to chat. Having someone add a God into the situation would just be painful.

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What you said in your original post mirrors my opinion. Spot on.

yes, mine too. welcome!

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