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SleeplessInTexas comments on Nov 22, 2018:
What if you have both? Hmm..
Fernapple replies on Nov 22, 2018:
@OwlInASack Statistically you are also more likely to kill yourself by accident, than a none gun owner is likely to be murdered.
One for future history perhaps. [youtube.com]
Markss76118 comments on Nov 22, 2018:
Looks like horiffic problems with no workable solutions. I think there would have to be transparency, responsibility and consequences to have any solutions. That seems totally unlikely to me.
Fernapple replies on Nov 22, 2018:
Yes it is also the doubtful art of futureology, which is alway questionable.
What social media app do you use the most on your phone?
Quazi comments on Nov 20, 2018:
Same I hardly use fb anymore. Mostly this now. Much more thought provoking and eye opening
Fernapple replies on Nov 21, 2018:
@Quazi Yes that would be a good thing. And there is no need, if it is well handled, for this site to grow into a shambolic shallow mindless rambling mess. Lets hope.
What social media app do you use the most on your phone?
Quazi comments on Nov 20, 2018:
Same I hardly use fb anymore. Mostly this now. Much more thought provoking and eye opening
Fernapple replies on Nov 20, 2018:
Lets hope this site does not get too big and becomes like facebook too.
What is the most interesting thing you have seen from an airplane?
nvrnuff comments on Nov 20, 2018:
The pilot.
Fernapple replies on Nov 20, 2018:
As he sailed past the window wearing his parachute ?
I remember this from High School, still apt today.
flithyMONKEYmen comments on Nov 20, 2018:
Fantastic Shel Silverstein. Here’s my favorite.... (although I’m quite fond of rolling on rugs, kissing and hugging, too lol)
Fernapple replies on Nov 20, 2018:
Like your favourite.
Has anybody made a heatmap for the members?
itsmedammit comments on Nov 20, 2018:
Ah found it. Go to Browse Members. There is a map view option.
Fernapple replies on Nov 20, 2018:
Thank I had not seen that.
More natural history than is usual for this group, but the look at bird behavior is wonderful.
Leafhead comments on Nov 19, 2018:
I have always appreciated the intelligence of crows, ravens, magpies and jays
Fernapple replies on Nov 20, 2018:
Me too, one of my friends just five doors up the street has a collony in the trees behind her house. Envy.
The mild autumn leaves still a lot of colour in the garden, and now the winter flowers are starting ...
flower_nut comments on Nov 19, 2018:
Wow! You're in the right climate to have a garden. I just cleaned off all my dahlias after digging them out of the ground last week. Placed them in boxes and stored them away until spring. I still have some winterizing to do around the yard. The important thing is our oil tank is full with plenty ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
It must be nice to live where there are good clear seasons though. Most of my autumn work is done now except I still have to wrap my tree ferns.
Is The Bible 100% Accurate? This Pastor Thinks So - YouTube
darien75 comments on Nov 19, 2018:
How can a book that has no official author and has been modified some 1400+ times be accurate. The very fact that chapters have been added and removed to suit the ideals of the church proves its anything but accurate. These so called pastors and ministers and priests are out for financial gain plain...
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
@darien75 That's OK, I tend to type fast too, and you should see some of the misunderstandings that causes. And at least this one gave me a chance to make a point. Keep up the good work.
What's a Basal Breed? [nationalpurebreddogday.com] interesting...
Fernapple comments on Nov 19, 2018:
Interesting, but on the whole I do not approve of pure bred dog breeding. To take an animal as wonderful and capable of so much as a dog, and to think of nothing better to do with it than to genetically disable it and repeatedly inbreed it, merely for ornamental fancy, seems to me to be a failure of...
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
@Qualia Well you obviously care about dogs, which is the main thing, and I know that most good breeders, as you say, do care. So I guess that we will have to agree to differ. But I will add that it is not only bad and evil people who cause harm, far more pain and suffering is caused in the world especially to the weak and voiceless, by good intentioned even loving people who act insensitively unintellegently. The world is full of people who love their dogs yet are unthinkingly happy to leave them bored and lonely for hours on end every day, and breeding is not immune from such problems either. I hate legeslation, yet I do think that dog owning should require a licence and the passing of a test at least as strongly set as a driving test. And that at least the deliberate breeding of many fancy breeds especially those of extremely large or small sizes which puts strains on the dogs anatomy should be banned.
Is The Bible 100% Accurate? This Pastor Thinks So - YouTube
johnprytz comments on Nov 19, 2018:
As do nearly all of the extreme right-wing fundamentalist Christians. Bryan Fischer (of the American Family Association) and End Times fanatic Michele Bachmann (former congresswoman from Minnesota) immediately come to mind.
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
Never heard of those, for which I am very grateful, but thank you for the information anyway.
Is The Bible 100% Accurate? This Pastor Thinks So - YouTube
darien75 comments on Nov 19, 2018:
How can a book that has no official author and has been modified some 1400+ times be accurate. The very fact that chapters have been added and removed to suit the ideals of the church proves its anything but accurate. These so called pastors and ministers and priests are out for financial gain plain...
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
True. But they do have a clue; they have a clue that if they tell enough lies to enough gullable ill educated victims for long enough they can get a lot of money.
PragerFU: Does Science Argue For or Against God? - misterdeity [youtube.com]
WilliamCharles comments on Nov 19, 2018:
Just saw one of those. Their pieces are almost always smug and lacking much merit. This one was classic in the odds of life was seen as virtually impossible without their magic man whose supposed existence apparently doesn't fall into a similar odds calculation
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
Yes you just get the statement, "god is eternal". As if that explained anything, and did not need any explanation itself.
The mild autumn leaves still a lot of colour in the garden, and now the winter flowers are starting ...
MojoDave comments on Nov 19, 2018:
Iris foetidissima, I had to look that one up
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
Stinking Iris in other words, the flowers are a little palid, but the berries are good, and it does not really stink that i can tell.
What's a Basal Breed? [nationalpurebreddogday.com] interesting...
Fernapple comments on Nov 19, 2018:
Interesting, but on the whole I do not approve of pure bred dog breeding. To take an animal as wonderful and capable of so much as a dog, and to think of nothing better to do with it than to genetically disable it and repeatedly inbreed it, merely for ornamental fancy, seems to me to be a failure of...
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
@Qualia No I do not think that any dog is just a pure ornament, quite the contrary. That is why I think that the motivation to breed just for ornament is so immoral and so short of good taste. Many breeds suffer from terrible genetic failings, often crippled by hip and spinal failings, or breathing difficulties, and in many cases with much reduced life spans. If someone took an iron bar and beat a dog so badly that it could not walk properly, had difficulty breathing for the rest of its life and died young, they would be brought before the law. Why therefore are breeders able to do it and get away with it? I have no problem with careful selective breeding, but I do think that animal legislation should include the right of any animal not to be forced into incest just for human amusement.
Do you celebrate Christmas?
LiterateHiker comments on Nov 19, 2018:
As an atheist, I celebrate Christmas in a non-religious way. No nativity scene or Christmas tree. Instead, I make a great meal for family members. Set the table beautifully. We exchange wrapped gifts. Decorate with a Victorian village on the table, dolls made by my great aunts and uncles, ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
Family, food and company, those are not only the most important things, but also the deep and meaning full things.
Sometimes I just lay here and wonder how the human race can be sooo naive with the religious ...
powder comments on Nov 19, 2018:
Stop indoctrination of children will stop it. Makes you realise how powerful repetition in message is that mature adults still believe the obvious fantasy first introduced in childhood but reinforced with a lifetime of repetition. Human minds can be trained like animals by breaking the spirit. It's ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
True. And of course the longer you have been believing a thing, the harder it gets to admit, to yourself and others, that you have been wrong and wasted so much of your life.
Allium purple sensation Mandarin lights azalea Siberian Iris Caesar's brother You can tell the ...
Fernapple comments on Nov 18, 2018:
Picking them off should work, as this late in the year there should not be time for any more.
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
@flower_nut If you want to look them up, they are most possibly sawfly caterpilllars.
My vegetable plot in winter.
BABSDAGGER comments on Nov 18, 2018:
is this because your soils dont perminately freeze during the winter?
Fernapple replies on Nov 19, 2018:
Yes. Though they can take a fairly deep frost if it is not for days.
My vegetable plot in winter.
CeliaVL comments on Nov 18, 2018:
We can do the same down here in Devon in a normal year. Do your parsnip greens die back if you have a very cold snap?
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
Yes they do, in hard winters like 2010 / 11 even parsnips can be lost but that is rare. Hardiness here and maybe with you, is not so much about zones as rolls of the dice, I have known winters that killed conifers, and some when pelagoniums came through outside.
More natural history than is usual for this group, but the look at bird behavior is wonderful.
EyesThatSmile comments on Nov 18, 2018:
Did you share this in the Feathered Friends group? I knew they were smart but didn’t know as much about their mating and family rituals. Thanks.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
Must look at that group thank you.
More natural history than is usual for this group, but the look at bird behavior is wonderful.
phxbillcee comments on Nov 18, 2018:
Any science articles or videos are welcome. Feel free to post any you find interesting!
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
I like to try and find interesting things, and I know that most science interested people are usually interested in most things. P.S. I am awed by your output, I could never find that much, thank you this is a great group.
My vegetable plot in winter.
flower_nut comments on Nov 18, 2018:
What garden hardiness zone is your area 8a or 8b? Mine is a gardening zone of 6b (-20.6 to -17.8 degrees Celsius). Can gladiolus come back year after year for you? I haven't planted any for a couple years and decided to invest my time with just dahlias.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
We don't really have the hardiness zones here, they do not work so well in Britain, though mine is said to be on the border of 8 and 9.
Anyone gardening in Florida? 'Tis the season!
HippieChick58 comments on Nov 17, 2018:
I'm in Nebraska, we had snow today. It was 30° when I woke up and 28° by the time I was dressed. Gardening is done until April or May.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
@OwlInASack, @yppahagn Your welcome.
Anyone gardening in Florida? 'Tis the season!
HippieChick58 comments on Nov 17, 2018:
I'm in Nebraska, we had snow today. It was 30° when I woke up and 28° by the time I was dressed. Gardening is done until April or May.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
@OwlInASack F to C.: subtract 32 divide by 9 multiply by five. C to F: Divide by five, multiply by 9 and add 32. I think.
Do you think it true?
WilliamFleming comments on Nov 17, 2018:
Of course nature has meaning—an extreme amount of value and meaning! Why is that kind of awareness a danger? On the contrary, awareness and appreciation for the great mystery of Ultimate Reality lends the keenest of motivation to survive and live well. What is a danger is a dogmatic belief in ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
@WilliamFleming I agree wholy with your first paragraph, including. "Nature Is meaning purpose and value." Especially to us. But the second two paragraphs directly contradict it. I remember a story about a famous Victorian gentleman who lived in this country, and fell in love with a beautiful young woman, who he had seen dressed in all the great silken gowns such as women wore then. Or he thought he had fallen in love anyway. So he married her, and on the wedding night she undressed. It was his first sight of another human naked and he was so alarmed that he fled, never to return to the marriage chamber. They divorced shortly after, which was rare then. It is a poor love, indeed no love at all, which needs silken finery or will not face its beloved honestly. " To gild refined gold, to paint the lily, To throw perfume on the violet, To smooth the ice, or to add another hue, unto the rainbow, or with tapper-light, To seek the beauteous eye of heaven to garnish. Is wasteful and ridiculous excess."
I admire greatly the late Dorothy Parker for the sharpness of her wit, and for the next day or so I...
Fernapple comments on Nov 18, 2018:
I always remember her statement to a lady journalist about gardening and horticulture. People will have to look it up for themselves though because I think it would get me banned from the site if I used it.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
@Marionville You are very brave, I look forward to it.
My vegetable plot in winter.
Eldovis comments on Nov 18, 2018:
other winter greens that do well even here in Virginia are ; mustard greens and collard greens.. best in soups and other asian dishes.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
That's interesting I really like to find out about growing in other parts of the world. Having usually mildish winters here, we also over winter some cabbages of course though I do not have any this year, we also grow sprouts, which I love, and I have a good stand in another part of the garden.
The first of the Mahonia shrubs is just coming into flower now, it is a hybrid form from Asia, M.
Cast1es comments on Nov 18, 2018:
Never heard of this one before . Are any of it's parts edible ?
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
I googled it and this is what came up. (Mahonia trifoliolata, Agrito, Laredo Mahonia and Mexican Barberry, has a subtle tart red berry eaten raw or used in jellies, preserves, sauces, drinks, cakes and tarts. Mahonia bealei, the Leatherleaf Mahonia and Beal's Barberry, has berries edible raw or made into various thinks like pies, jelly and wine. The berries are edible, and rich in vitamin C, though with a very sharp flavor. Although edible, the plants contain berberine, a compound found in many Berberis and Mahonia species, which can cause vomiting, lowered blood pressure, reduced heart rate, lethargy, and other ill effects when consumed in large quantities.) I can say though that the birds love both the flowers and the berries. A related species, Mahonia aquifolium ("Oregon Grape") was eaten by settlers in North America and was formerly a food crop of native peoples.
My vegetable plot in winter.
Surfpirate comments on Nov 18, 2018:
I'm in Canada and I just pulled the last of my leeks this week, there are several inches of heavy snow on the ground and the only thing that was still alive in my garden were the leeks. Cockaleekie soup will be on the menu soon.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
Nice, I love leeks in soup of any sort.
My vegetable plot in winter.
Zoohome comments on Nov 18, 2018:
What are those flowers?
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
Some late Chrisanthemums, we grow them round the vegetables, in the perhaps vain hope, that they will keep pests, especially insects away.
The first of the Mahonia shrubs is just coming into flower now, it is a hybrid form from Asia, M.
Spinliesel comments on Nov 18, 2018:
Wow. Beautiful. I grew a mahonia once here in upstate New York. It was very showy, sort of a bronze-purple color.hIt did not survive the cold, ice and snow.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
There are several types, some are hardier than others. I think that Mahonia aquilfolia is native to the US but wether it is hardy all over I could not say.
Do you think it true?
WilliamFleming comments on Nov 17, 2018:
Of course nature has meaning—an extreme amount of value and meaning! Why is that kind of awareness a danger? On the contrary, awareness and appreciation for the great mystery of Ultimate Reality lends the keenest of motivation to survive and live well. What is a danger is a dogmatic belief in ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
What are the dangers of seeing meaning and purpose in nature? They may be many, but here are just four to start with. One: That thinking of nature having purpose can easily lead to false conclusions, such as for example, the ladder of creation view of evolutionary theory and even the idea of Karma. Two: That it is inherently dishonest to set up ideologies without evidence, and that this type of thought can easily condition you to unquestioningly accepting dishonesty, in both yourself and others. Three: Perhaps not that important, but; it gives a hostage to theists who will use the argument. “Yours is just a groundless belief system too.” And fourth: Most of all. It risks and wastes your powers of appreciation, which are truly the greatest of natures gift, to use them on any form of fairyland glitter, when they should be used on appreciating the wonders and glory of nature in all its real richness for which they were intended; Especially when the practice of using them on that, is the best way to enhance them and to learn values.
Anyone gardening in Florida? 'Tis the season!
HippieChick58 comments on Nov 17, 2018:
I'm in Nebraska, we had snow today. It was 30° when I woke up and 28° by the time I was dressed. Gardening is done until April or May.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
@yppahagn How sad. If you like you can come to the UK for winter, we can entertain you in the garden with a runny nose, cold frozen fingers, and S.A. D. due to the few hours of dim dank murky daylight. That should make a nice change from heatstroke.
You are not alone.
Shefree comments on Nov 17, 2018:
I wish they lived close to me.
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
A lot of us are close on line.
I apologize for forgetting to post this. It completely slipped my mind. ? [apost.com]
Fernapple comments on Nov 17, 2018:
Oh dear, as I get older I am finding it easier to remember things, should I be worried?
Fernapple replies on Nov 18, 2018:
@Science-guy My brain.
This is not about growing but I thought you would like it.
MojoDave comments on Nov 17, 2018:
If I'm not mistaken Japan & China were doing landscaped gardens way before that.
Fernapple replies on Nov 17, 2018:
That's quite right, the idea seems only to be about western culture, yet you would think that those who pedal it would give at least half a thought to Asian culture. And the idea usually pulled out to go with it, that people in the middle ages were affraid of the wild and nature, is just mad, when you think that most poor people worked with nothing but nature, and the main pursuit of the rich was hunting.
Given the freedom to think is important.
mt49er comments on Nov 16, 2018:
Our schools disagree.
Fernapple replies on Nov 16, 2018:
Yes sadly, and a major part of the problem is that because the system promotes those who do best in it, school teachers are often the most damaged people.
For years I saved every bit of used potting compost in a heap, this year I have enough to mulch the ...
MikeInBatonRouge comments on Nov 15, 2018:
Sure. I have wondered what to do with old compacted potting soil In pots, with some dead Rosebush root still in them. I have read from more than one source to avoid planting a rose where another rose had died within the preceding year. No explanation given. But I assumed it was the assumption ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 16, 2018:
@MikeInBatonRouge That ok happy growing.
This is not about growing but I thought you would like it.
Cast1es comments on Nov 16, 2018:
I love going castle hopping , touring Medieval castles . While originally , they were military outposts , with defense as their major concern , eventually , they were also administrative headquarters , and eventually homes for the aristocrates , appointed by the kings , to control the population ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 16, 2018:
Yes the gardens, at the Alhambra are some of the earliest in Europe, they are part of the palace complex, (There are seven palaces if you include the summer house and the palace of Charles the 5th, which was never used.) All have both gardens of several early periods, and three of the buildings have very early enclosed patio or courtyard gardens. The castle you can see is the Red Fort which was the main defensive part.
For years I saved every bit of used potting compost in a heap, this year I have enough to mulch the ...
AstralSmoke comments on Nov 15, 2018:
If you still have a pile than there’s stuff in it. It was all organic to begin with. It’s still organic.
Fernapple replies on Nov 16, 2018:
Yes, plus some loam.
For years I saved every bit of used potting compost in a heap, this year I have enough to mulch the ...
MikeInBatonRouge comments on Nov 15, 2018:
Sure. I have wondered what to do with old compacted potting soil In pots, with some dead Rosebush root still in them. I have read from more than one source to avoid planting a rose where another rose had died within the preceding year. No explanation given. But I assumed it was the assumption ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 16, 2018:
It is called rose replants disease in roses, and no one is sure but a fungus or two may be to blame. That is why I store the potting compost a year or two before use.
For years I saved every bit of used potting compost in a heap, this year I have enough to mulch the ...
OldGoat43 comments on Nov 15, 2018:
Give it a boost with some grass clippings and leaves, mixed well in and then compost will heat up. That will kill any seeds or fungus in the composted mix. Wait a few weeks and it will have twice as much nutrients as when you started. The lawn clippings create nitrogen and the leaves will add ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 16, 2018:
Yes I do that too. This was just a special one off.
For years I saved every bit of used potting compost in a heap, this year I have enough to mulch the ...
Eldovis comments on Nov 15, 2018:
well composted compost! is not that the food? for the garden?
Fernapple replies on Nov 16, 2018:
Yes I use that most years, this was just a special one off. It does not pay to mix potting compost with garden compost as it slows/stops heating.
For years I saved every bit of used potting compost in a heap, this year I have enough to mulch the ...
flower_nut comments on Nov 15, 2018:
I buy bags of manure when it's on sale and spread it around. Any old potting soil gets mixed in with the manure. I built a frame with a 1/2 inch mesh screen to fit over my wheelbarrow. I can raise it up to make it easy on my back and mix soil all day. This is how I removed all the rocks from our ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 16, 2018:
That's a good idea, but it is best to compost manure fist, that helps get rid of an bad things in the bedding, stops the bedding lowering the nitrogen in the soil, and stops strong manure over feeeding or burning plants.
For years I saved every bit of used potting compost in a heap, this year I have enough to mulch the ...
freeofgod comments on Nov 15, 2018:
You are not supposed to reuse soil from pots in case it's been contaminated with a fungus or disease but I use it anyway. There's such a small amount in a pot that I figure the mix it's added to is enough to kill anything from a small pot.
Fernapple replies on Nov 16, 2018:
That is one reason why I store it for some time, at least two years, before use. Though many people now regard introduced fungus as generally more useful than harmful.
I've noticed that most members on the site, at least in my area are over 40.
Mb_Man comments on Nov 15, 2018:
I think it's the name. Seriously. Most of the atheists I know are so stuck to the term that it would not surprise me that they would refuse to sign up for a web portal called Agnostic.com . Such bigotry is just going to keep holding back the whole secular movement. Which is a shame. On the ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 15, 2018:
Always called myself a " broard church skeptic". I can not prove there is no supernatural, but the supernatural has no meaning anyway if it does not talk to you. So that the most important thing alway seemed to be the rejection of religion and its claims to be the voice of the suopernatural. After that its all small stuff.
The Earth has more than one moon! Check it out! [bigthink.com]
phxbillcee comments on Nov 14, 2018:
Well, dust & pebbles in the LaGrange points may be a stretch to really define as "moons". I have no doubt that just about every planet may have this (we know Jupiter does in its Trojan points). Maybe not Mercury, not sure what effect proximity to the Sun would have.
Fernapple replies on Nov 15, 2018:
Depends on how you define "moon". One common definition says that for an object to be a moon, it must be massive enough for gravity to pull it into a sphere. So sorry they are not moons, but they are very interesting.
Pasqueflower - Pulsatilla This is a cool flower.
Fernapple comments on Nov 15, 2018:
I think silky is better than hairy, they really are stroke-able, and so are the new leaves.
Fernapple replies on Nov 15, 2018:
@flower_nut We are still talking about flowers, yes. But I can go with silky anywhere I find it.
I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me.
Fernapple comments on Nov 15, 2018:
Too many people on this site agree with me ; I had better go.
Fernapple replies on Nov 15, 2018:
@Paul_Clamberer Only half.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, ...
rcandlish comments on Nov 15, 2018:
O, to have been a Renaissance Man, when one could excel in everything!
Fernapple replies on Nov 15, 2018:
True. But the quote perhaps wisely does not say excel, only "able to", it is widening the range that makes you more completely human. Indeed you only realy excel if you turn your back on life and become very narrow in your focus.
The strategic adversary is fascism.
Marionville comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I don’t agree with this quotation. All is a word that cannot be used in any quote, as there are always exceptions. We don’t all love power, there are some people who positively prefer not to have to make any kind of decision and willingly abrogate their right to have any power by not even ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 15, 2018:
What most people don't want is contained in the other too words which you use in your paragraph, namely, responsibility and the need to make decisions; give them power without the need to take those things and they will happily take it. It is a mistake to see power as the same thing as leadership, that for example is why wealth is so popular, because money is one of the forms of power without responsibility. Give people money and they will happily pay less than a fair price for what they buy, or happily buy second homes in a country where there is a housing shortage, etc. etc..
If God is omniscient, in other words he knows everything that is happening and everything that will ...
Buxx comments on Nov 14, 2018:
Compare the story of the Garden of Eden to the Marshmallow Test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_oy9614HQ God clearly wanted Adam and Eve to eat that apple. Further, the existence of an omniscient, omnipotent God contradicts the existence of sin. Sin (at least as I understand it) is defined to ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 14, 2018:
Love the video, but have to say that one marshmallow when you are bored really is worth ten when you have other things to do. Or maybe that's just me.
Are you a Centrist?
John_Tyrrell comments on Nov 14, 2018:
The two dimensional division of political thought into left - centre - right is obsolete. We need to think multi-dimensionally.
Fernapple replies on Nov 14, 2018:
It is an over simplified idea. And when you see an over simplified idea, it usually means someone is trying to use humans natural laziness to help them fool people. I could not be a centralist, because I have some very left views and some very right wing views, as well as some central. A lot of people are like that, I think its called thinking.
Do you think we ought consider a re-write of the Ten Commandments specifically for the Third ...
Fernapple comments on Nov 13, 2018:
Look on the web and you will find dozens, it has been done a lot of times already. But the real question is what is the point unless someone is going to enforce it, without a church or some central authority it is just another version on the pile. It would be great if some government establishment ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 14, 2018:
@Mcflewster I do not know, their are a lot of people who think that we should give more of our responsiblity over to the state, strangely they are usually people who make their money within the state system. I think that it is a perfect example of the fact that there is nothing even a good percentage of people will agree.
Hi! ? How do you guys address the ole "What if you're wrong?" question?
GrantSmith comments on Nov 13, 2018:
There are 30,000 religions on Earth, and if one of them is right I'm as statistically likely to be wrong as you are.
Fernapple replies on Nov 14, 2018:
I think that's the best answer, and there are ten thousand Chritain sects alone, they can not all be right, and most of them claim an exclusive heaven. Heaven must be a very lonely place with so few in it.
Phygelius is only on the edge of being hardy here.
itsmedammit comments on Nov 13, 2018:
Interesting flowers you have there.
Fernapple replies on Nov 14, 2018:
Its a sub-shrub, hard to find, but has good foliage and gets to four feet with me after five years or so, likes a moist soil.
For those of us who like to grow flowers, are there any colors you prefer not to grow?
Fernapple comments on Nov 13, 2018:
Some people say that orange is a hard colour to use in the garden, because it is the colour which most tends to clash with green, which is of course the main hue in most gardens. It is only a hypothetical clash based on the colour wheel colour theory, but it does seem to be hard to use well even in ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 14, 2018:
@RussRAB I grow a lot of orange day lillies, and it does not bother me too much most days. But they can get a bit brazen sometimes.
What is your favourite season's of the year mine is autumn (Fall) only because it's so colourful.
MichaelSpinler comments on Nov 13, 2018:
spring, because winter is over, and i can plant stuff and watch it bloom and grow. summers are to hot here, so for me its the best.
Fernapple replies on Nov 14, 2018:
@Daz1981 Yep!
Has anyone else been asked, after commenting you're an agnostic to a Christian, what happened in ...
MichaelSpinler comments on Nov 13, 2018:
anti- theist atheist here. yes many times over the years, those types cant imagine a world without a god. that i have to be angry, or something bad happened to me. . most believers are lazy thinkers, so its to be expected. i see it as a chance to get them to think.
Fernapple replies on Nov 14, 2018:
@MichaelSpinler Must be tough sometimes, especially when you are busy.
What is your favourite season's of the year mine is autumn (Fall) only because it's so colourful.
MichaelSpinler comments on Nov 13, 2018:
spring, because winter is over, and i can plant stuff and watch it bloom and grow. summers are to hot here, so for me its the best.
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
@Daz1981 Its not that bad. You know it is going to be cold, dry, wet, frosty, windy, snowy, baking hot and foggy, but look on the bright side, it is good to get a change, and tommorow they could come in a different order.
Has anyone else been asked, after commenting you're an agnostic to a Christian, what happened in ...
MichaelSpinler comments on Nov 13, 2018:
anti- theist atheist here. yes many times over the years, those types cant imagine a world without a god. that i have to be angry, or something bad happened to me. . most believers are lazy thinkers, so its to be expected. i see it as a chance to get them to think.
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
Yes that's my thought too. Although its a bit irrelivant because on one in the UK would ever ask that sort of question. Don't know if that is a good thing or not.
ARISTOTLE WAS WRONG: STORY AND THE MIND [youtu.be]
cava comments on Nov 13, 2018:
The video is excellent. I have my reservations about some of the things said but it was well thought out and produced. Like #fernapple I don't think Plato's anti-art had anything to do with Fascism. The fascist relied on their misreading of Nietzsche. Unlike #fernapple I don't necessarily see a ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
Ironically most of us would now think of Platos forms as being but themselves a work of Platos art.
The Best of All Possible Worlds Let's assume for the here and now that the traditional ...
WilliamFleming comments on Nov 12, 2018:
It sounds as though you are arguing against an objective, human-like god, the god of the Bible, who resides out there somewhere and creates, controls and destroys the physical universe. But you have no problem with Nature—a Nature that creates itself, imposes unbreakable laws, brings about ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
@WilliamFleming Yes but not proveable. It is as I say a possibly harmless idea some agnostics hold to, and good luck with it. But I find it needless.
Phygelius is only on the edge of being hardy here.
Alvinsmama comments on Nov 13, 2018:
Any flower blooming at any time is well worth it. These are unusual.
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
@Alvinsmama Sounds lovely. Thanks
Phygelius is only on the edge of being hardy here.
Alvinsmama comments on Nov 13, 2018:
Any flower blooming at any time is well worth it. These are unusual.
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
I do not know Jacksonville, you may have much harder winters than we do in the UK, or not. Where in the US is it?
The Best of All Possible Worlds Let's assume for the here and now that the traditional ...
Wallace comments on Nov 12, 2018:
For what it’s worth, some years ago I wrote “Can Theism Survive Without the Devil?” in which I developed a proof that *a perfect God created an imperfect world* is not impossible given the further contention that a devil exists. To make this work I appealed to two common sense assumptions, ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
I would not in my wildest dreams, accept either of your first place assumptions. And thing that is enough rebuttal.
The Best of All Possible Worlds Let's assume for the here and now that the traditional ...
WilliamFleming comments on Nov 12, 2018:
It sounds as though you are arguing against an objective, human-like god, the god of the Bible, who resides out there somewhere and creates, controls and destroys the physical universe. But you have no problem with Nature—a Nature that creates itself, imposes unbreakable laws, brings about ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
@WilliamFleming You are quite correct; I can not be sure that nature is not in some deep hidden way conscious, and can keep an open mind to it should some real evidence turn up. But, the consciousness of nature only has relevance if it communicates with you. If you have not heard it speak or seen any signals, then its possible existence, is irrelevant, and can logically be treated the same as none-existence. The same thing applies to god. I know that some agnostics treat nature as an alternate god, in place of the fairy story one of the theists, but while there is perhaps little harm in that, it is still a mistake, and what is more it is needless, since any intelligence which is hidden must also have hidden and therefore irrelevant for us intentions, and those can, also therefore, be treated as logically the same as none existant.
Capital punishment?
ValJ comments on Nov 13, 2018:
None of the above. I'm against the death penalty because too many innocent people are wrongly convicted.
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
@273kelvin I just posted this elsewhere on this page but will do it again. Speaking as someone who has sat on juries twice, and therefore had first hand experience of the legal system without being involved in it. I have to say that anyone who thinks that the courts, of even the most civil and best run nations can truely separate the guilty from the innocent, is living in cloud cuckoo land. It is, as common sense will tell anyone, quite impossible to begin with, and far from possible in fact. It may be a needful myth which the state creates in order to make its people content that they are being protected, but it is no more a truth than fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no such thing as 100% certain.
Capital punishment?
Marionville comments on Nov 13, 2018:
Too many cases of miscarriages of justice have been exposed to ever consider it again. I am British and we abolished it in 1965.....!
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
Speaking as someone who has sat on juries twice, and therefore had first hand experience of the legal system without being involved in it. I have to say that anyone who thinks that the courts, of even the most civil and best run nations can truely separate the guilty from the innocent, is living in cloud cuckoo land. It is, as common sense will tell anyone, quite impossible to begin with, and far from possible in fact. It may be a needful myth which the state creates in order to make its people content that they are being protected, but it is no more a truth than fairies at the bottom of the garden.
The Best of All Possible Worlds Let's assume for the here and now that the traditional ...
WilliamFleming comments on Nov 12, 2018:
It sounds as though you are arguing against an objective, human-like god, the god of the Bible, who resides out there somewhere and creates, controls and destroys the physical universe. But you have no problem with Nature—a Nature that creates itself, imposes unbreakable laws, brings about ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
@WilliamFleming No that is only me thinking. Nature is just the word we give to a set of objects, (Usually the set of all objects which exist.) if some subset of a subset of that set should think, that does not mean that the whole thinks.
Who thinks asking inane questions is a good way to get points?
genessa comments on Nov 13, 2018:
not me. i think it's a good way to turn off people who seek interesting or even just amusing dialogue. the points come just as fast or slowly with a thoughtful or funny post as with an inane one. g p.s. this site's spellcheck things dialogue should be spelled dialog. sad!
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
The sights spill chuck "things" doe nut spit every "think".
The Best of All Possible Worlds Let's assume for the here and now that the traditional ...
WilliamFleming comments on Nov 12, 2018:
It sounds as though you are arguing against an objective, human-like god, the god of the Bible, who resides out there somewhere and creates, controls and destroys the physical universe. But you have no problem with Nature—a Nature that creates itself, imposes unbreakable laws, brings about ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
The difference between nature and god is that nature does not think, it therefore can not claim to have meaning purpose or morallity, and so the argument does not apply to it.
The Best of All Possible Worlds Let's assume for the here and now that the traditional ...
Fernapple comments on Nov 12, 2018:
This is basically the "argument from evil" which is one of the better arguments against god, since it cuts to the quick and is easy to understand. Some people do not like it because it does have some weakness. First: in that, as you say at the start, you are assuming that humans do not have free ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
@johnprytz I do not beleive in free will either, I said that the argument assumes that "god does".
For those of us who like to grow flowers, are there any colors you prefer not to grow?
Fernapple comments on Nov 13, 2018:
Some people say that orange is a hard colour to use in the garden, because it is the colour which most tends to clash with green, which is of course the main hue in most gardens. It is only a hypothetical clash based on the colour wheel colour theory, but it does seem to be hard to use well even in ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
@FrayedBear Yes it is the colour of ripeness beyond all others.
For those of us who like to grow flowers, are there any colors you prefer not to grow?
HippieChick58 comments on Nov 12, 2018:
I prefer pinks, purples, blues, but I'm good with almost any colors. My least favorite would be orange. You won't find much orange (if any) in my house, closet, or yard. My ex did not like white flowers either, I never understood that one. It's not like the whole yard is in white, but a few whites ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
Too much white can leave a garden looking washed out, especially in strong sun. Many people copy white gardens like the famous one at Sissinghurst but fail to realize that that garden was actually called the grey, green and white garden, using large amounts of all three, and it also uses shade to create patches of light and dark, there is much more to it than just putting lots of white flowers together, It is best I think not to go for single colour gardens, unless you are sure you are very clever, and white is best used only as single highlights here and there.
For those of us who like to grow flowers, are there any colors you prefer not to grow?
SkagwayKim comments on Nov 13, 2018:
I love every color flower but the scent of some is intolerable for me.
Fernapple replies on Nov 13, 2018:
Yes. Lilly scent gives me a headache, and I do not usually get headaches.
Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told.
MojoDave comments on Nov 11, 2018:
Many have said it in various ways. Real integrity is doing the right thing, knowing that nobody’s going to know whether you did it or not. - Oprah Winfrey
Fernapple replies on Nov 12, 2018:
Thank you, nice quote from O.W. as well. I looked up and found your picture too its very good.
I don't get this whole level thing
Fernapple comments on Nov 11, 2018:
You do not have to pay any attention to it, just enjoy the site and the people in your own way and ignore it if you want.
Fernapple replies on Nov 11, 2018:
@Olnoseven Enjoy
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is a prison.
rcandlish comments on Nov 11, 2018:
Got to be careful not to fall into the old error that sees persecution as a proof of righteousness.
Fernapple replies on Nov 11, 2018:
Very true, I do not think that it is one of his best quotes, but it made a good intro. to the video so I went with it.
The Parable of the Passing Bird One cold winter night, Socrates was invited to the home of one of...
Fernapple comments on Nov 11, 2018:
I have heard the same story attributed to saint Collumba, it just shows you how easy it is to plagiarize, and how much of Christianity may be borrowed. I really like the photo.
Fernapple replies on Nov 11, 2018:
@CallMeDave No, if I remember, it was said to the king as a first shot intending to belittle this life, and then of course build up the future one that the confidence trickster was trying to sell.
"Thank God" for those people who attribute the hard word, dedication and perseverance I exert on a ...
indirect76 comments on Nov 11, 2018:
You do gods work.
Fernapple replies on Nov 11, 2018:
@indirect76 Yes that is true, but he does not do it often enough.
"Thank God" for those people who attribute the hard word, dedication and perseverance I exert on a ...
indirect76 comments on Nov 11, 2018:
You do gods work.
Fernapple replies on Nov 11, 2018:
He never does any of his own, he even get his church sweeping done for him by frail old people.
First Communion.
Cassiopeia comments on Nov 11, 2018:
Yes, it is creepy. Brides did not wear white until Queen Victoria started the fashion in 1840. So I wonder when communion dresses followed suit and what did little girls wear prior to that? Or were they white first?
Fernapple replies on Nov 11, 2018:
I think they were white first yes.
The easiest most versatile plant to have are daylilies.
HippieChick58 comments on Nov 10, 2018:
I have some daylillies, they were already planted when I moved in. I haven't added any yet. I love the color of yours. Mine are just plain yellow :( I like a variety of colors.
Fernapple replies on Nov 11, 2018:
Yes I have the same problem, a garden full of a not very good orange form, but they do so well I need to start collecting better ones.
What is it that makes humans still think that God and heaven and hell exists.
Fernapple comments on Nov 10, 2018:
Look for a second at the big picture. Christians, who do hold that all three are real, may seem to dominate in the western world especially the US today, but though they are the largest single group they are not the majority world wide. Many among them do not believe in all three, many more people ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 10, 2018:
@damien75 Good idea, especially the photos, but ask them to tell you how you can replicate the photos, and certainly do not trust eye witness, that is the least of all evidence. I find the big three are quite fascinating myself, and often wonder about the fact that all three came from the harsh desert regions of the world where nature is at its most hostile, and I wonder if it is that lack of basic kindness in the environment that makes a cruel human like god seem so acceptable there. Rich complex hinduism came from the lush green plains of India, and Buddism though founded there found its natural home in the cool clean northern lands north of the Hymalias.
I just had to share this, i was arguing religion with my mother and she said i'm not a very good ...
Fernapple comments on Nov 10, 2018:
It may be flip and not relevant to your talk with your mother. But; you can not be a bad atheist; (which means not a theist) anymore than you can be bad at not playing golf, or bad at not being an airline pilot.
Fernapple replies on Nov 10, 2018:
@Zster Me too. Someone once said. "If I am ever caught looking longingly at a golf bag, you will know it is time to shoot me."
What is the meaning of life?
Pralina1 comments on Nov 10, 2018:
Well , I think my life has a meaning , and a purpose . It took me 500 yrs to find out what it was but I like it the way it feels ! I am here to support my friends and their troubles , I am here to laugh and think w my sister , I am here to nurse strangers , I am here to enjoy the company of my ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 10, 2018:
Love your careful post. Knowing that you have tried your best to do all of those things , is as far as I have found the only comfort we will have on our death beds, but I do not think we need more or should expect more.
What is the meaning of life?
TheoryNumber3 comments on Nov 10, 2018:
The mind boggles. There's only one thing I know for sure. None of us are getting out of this alive!
Fernapple replies on Nov 10, 2018:
True life is a terminal illness.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
Admin comments on Jan 20, 2018:
Amen. This is a really good post.
Fernapple replies on Nov 10, 2018:
Thank you.
Education.
IamNobody comments on Nov 9, 2018:
What is worth reading for one may not be the same for the other and viceversa
Fernapple replies on Nov 9, 2018:
@Marionville Yes I did miss-read you, you did say, "most Christians", I am sorry, but you perhaps missed the fact that in my comment I was not offering a criticism of the Bible as such, since I take that as a given for people on this site. But was only using the Bible and science as a metaphor for the results of relativism. I would not start by trashing the Bible if talking to a Christian, but I stand by my right to do so, and in support will quote your reply, "The so called “fake news” that large numbers of people are reading and believing because they are too lazy and gullible to read more reputable publications." as a fairly good description of the book. Headlines from the gutter press. "Chief executive arranges death of co-worker after spying on his beautiful wife taking bath." "Pimp kicks call-girl as she lay dead." "Pregnant girl claims to be a virgin." "Elderly couple treat surrogate mother as slave, then leave her to starve." "Mad general orders that even animals in fallen city are to be killed." Oh sorry, not from the papers, my mistake those are from the Bible.
Education.
IamNobody comments on Nov 9, 2018:
What is worth reading for one may not be the same for the other and viceversa
Fernapple replies on Nov 9, 2018:
@Marionville I usually find that I agree with most of your thoughts, but I can not agree that the Bible is a great read. In fact what it is, is a scrapbook made up by who knows who, from the Bronze early Iron Age equivalent of just the sort of gutter press you are talking about, with some fake news and political propaganda thrown in, also by unknowns. Of course, being a scrapbook, they kept the most easy read and juicy bits, and threw out the boring bits, which is why it has always been popular and pushed peoples buttons so well; but the fact that it is an easy and stimulating read does not make it good, that is just putting style over substance. Which is just what G.M. T. was talking about.
Education.
IamNobody comments on Nov 9, 2018:
What is worth reading for one may not be the same for the other and viceversa
Fernapple replies on Nov 9, 2018:
@Marionville Thinking that the difference between good reading and trash is only subjective, is just relativism by another route. And if you go there, then the Bible is a science book.
Meet Lilith, the original representation or icon of feminism i.
maturin1919 comments on Nov 5, 2018:
Why does she have wings?
Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2018:
@Lukian Yes you can find all those strands. There is nothing about religion which is logical or consistent. Like all of these fictions she can stand for anything and everything. (That is why the Bible still remains popular.) Many popular things become that way by being ambiguous so that they can appeal to anybody, Some politicians work the same trick, if you stand for nothing you can claim everything.
Meet Lilith, the original representation or icon of feminism i.
maturin1919 comments on Nov 5, 2018:
Why does she have wings?
Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2018:
She has wings because usually in many traditions she is seen as an angel, later fallen angel, because of course Eve was adams first human wife. That usually fits her into the theology; but there is more to it, since she almost certainly started as a much earlier Summarian godess. In fact her roots are so many and so tangled you can find almost anything you want, or make it up, like everyone else of course. She is certainly not a good feminist icon, since traditionally she is thought to have hated women, (the daughters of Eve), And to have given them night sweats and nightmares, as well as stealing children etc. Bet you know more now than you ever wanted or needed.
How disgusting is this?
mordant comments on Nov 5, 2018:
It's at least better than imagining god has it "under control"; at least it acknowledges that "if it is to be, it's up to me". So to me it's not disgusting so much as a pathetic attempt to frame actual reality through some sort of theistic lens. In other words I would rank the disgust factor, if ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2018:
@HonkyBMcfunky That's Ok pleased I could help.
How disgusting is this?
mordant comments on Nov 5, 2018:
It's at least better than imagining god has it "under control"; at least it acknowledges that "if it is to be, it's up to me". So to me it's not disgusting so much as a pathetic attempt to frame actual reality through some sort of theistic lens. In other words I would rank the disgust factor, if ...
Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2018:
You missed 4. People who think that suffering makes you a better person and gets you into heaven. ( You may think that there are none of these left today, but it is not dead yet.)
Ten characters
AtheistReader comments on Nov 5, 2018:
Yeah, but not without Higgs Boson. Amirite, @Gurahl?
Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2018:
@Gurahl If you enjoy it, you can not be arrested for it. ( Not yet anyway, but I am sure the theists are working on it.)
Ten characters
AtheistReader comments on Nov 5, 2018:
Yeah, but not without Higgs Boson. Amirite, @Gurahl?
Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2018:
@KenChang Thank You. That is much better than my attemp at the same joke. I will try to remember that one.

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